They want to give us all a free ride.

This is the republican plan:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dmuhler:
This is the republican plan:



Do the Republicans pay the profits to the oil companies? I missed that.

I thought that these were the evil CEO's that Just haven't caught on to socialism yet.

The Democrats will put a stop to that, if they can.
Didn't Obama want to take their profits?

I guess, It's just not fair for these people to make a profit when there are so many "underprivileged" people around that could use the government's help..

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Originally posted by davidsteinberg:
Didn't Obama want to take their profits?

Funny...so did John McCain

who is responsible for no drilling for oil?
who is responsible for no nuke power plants?
who is responsible for no refineries?

the democrats

the people who put more money into alternative energy are the oil companies. stop the lies.
the lies about anwr.. the lies about nuke power

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Do the Republicans pay the profits to the oil companies? I missed that.

david

Yes they most certainly do in the form of sweetheart leases on federal land. If they had to pay market, those $400,000,000 dollar retirement packages would probable end.

Hey Muhler,prove it.

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Originally posted by backtoiraq:
who is responsible for no drilling for oil?
who is responsible for no nuke power plants?
who is responsible for no refineries?

the democrats

the people who put more money into alternative energy are the oil companies. stop the lies.
the lies about anwr.. the lies about nuke power

Drilling on sensitive land? Yes here is one good reason why the democrats oppose it:



No nukes? Yes and here is one good reason why the democrats oppose it:



No refineries? yes and here is one good reason why the democrats oppose it:



No the facts are that the oil companies have lots of leased land to drill on right now and they are not doing it. The issue with nuks is the republicans want it streamlined on regulatory review (the translation on that is they want almost no review at all). Finally, there has been no federal legislation on oil refineries so the fact are that if there are none, it has been up to locals and the oil companies, so if there are none, it must be because they don't want any.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

quote:

Originally posted by backtoiraq:
who is responsible for no drilling for oil?
who is responsible for no nuke power plants?
who is responsible for no refineries?

the democrats

the people who put more money into alternative energy are the oil companies. stop the lies.
the lies about anwr.. the lies about nuke power

Drilling on sensitive land? Yes here is one good reason why the democrats oppose it:


No nukes? Yes and here is one good reason why the democrats oppose it:



No refineries? yes and here is one good reason why the democrats oppose it:



No the facts are that the oil companies have lots of leased land to drill on right now and they are not doing it. The issue with nuks is the republicans want it streamlined on regulatory review (the translation on that is they want almost no review at all). Finally, there has been no federal legislation on oil refineries so the fact are that if there are none, it has been up to locals and the oil companies, so if there are none, it must be because they don't want any.

So are you saying that the free train ride, mentioned above, would be the best solution until we can figure out how to use wind power and solar energy to fuel our cars?

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Originally posted by wilddavemsg:
Hey Muhler,prove it.

Look up the Deep Water Royalty Relief Act signed into law in 1995. this is just one example of many. Here is a link to explain it in layman terms, but feel free to look up the Act. Link.

Oh and this give away is estimated at $80 billion.

Wasn't it also the Dems who came up with Carbon Credits? Just another stupid plan to make up pay for their elitist live style.

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So are you saying that the free train ride, mentioned above, would be the best solution until we can figure out how to use wind power and solar energy to fuel our cars?

The solution to our problem is to help the private sector to move to the next technology. Oil is not new, therefore they should not be given any incentives especially in terms of royalties due for oil recovered on federal land. None. Now I would not be opposed to nuclear power, but it must be carefully monitored....the idea that oversight on building plants should be reduced....well is just wrong.

The problem is that the oil companies are using there vast fortunes to stay in business. The technology to replace oil has existed for several decades but there influence has kept it from being perfected.

What we need is the governments of the world to stand up to the oil companies and put them in there place. The way things are going now they are draining all of the money from the world economy to force us to back off on protecting the environment.

So let me understand this....Democrats are responsible for our addiction to Oil? What did they do to stop the development of high speed Rail in this Nation? What did they do to stop the developement of high MPH vehicles?

Last time I checked Plastics come from Oil, and environmentalist always used to say to recycle that stuff while others didn't....who was right?

The only competent and real plan right now involves the use of Wind, which environmentalists have been pushing for years while others have not....who is right?

Nuclear technology will take far too long, and we can thank the disaster in Long Island for rallying the American population against this source of energy, as well as Chernobyl...Not environmentalists...

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Nuclear technology will take far too long, and we can thank the disaster in Long Island for rallying the American population against this source of energy, as well as Chernobyl...Not environmentalists...

dont ya mean three mile island in PA

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Originally posted by rpschnecksr:

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Nuclear technology will take far too long, and we can thank the disaster in Long Island for rallying the American population against this source of energy, as well as Chernobyl...Not environmentalists...

dont ya mean three mile island in PA

You are correct and I was thinking of the wrong Island...

Wish I was on an Island, away from all of this BS going on. Just me and the breeze.

Don't know what decade this pic was taken but when Katrina slammed into the gulf thousands of oil rigs were hit and damaged and not one drop of oil leaked out.

We are far more advanced now. We now build them better. Same for our refineries and nuclear power plants.

Come and join us in the 21st Century. It can be a wonderful place with plentiful energy and food.

All it will take is for the idiot environmentalists, especially the armchair ones that haven't taken a hike in the woods in there whole lives, to realize that time doesn't stand still. You either evolve or die.

I want to live and if that means that Ted Kennedy has to see a few windmills and Floridians would have to boat out to sea 40 miles to see an oil rig then so be it.

Enviro-mentally challenged don't really want alternative energy. The proof is that they call for reaping the wind and then complain that windmills may kill a few birds or call them unsightly. They call for solar this and solar that but then shut down expansion of America's solar farms until a two year environmental study is completed. Well what about the past 30 years of research and billions of dollars? They say that the tides could generate huge amounts of energy but can't do it if there is even the remote chance that a dolphin might, maybe, possibly get hurt or god forbid disoriented.

The best thing that Americans can do for their country is that when they run across one of these enviromentalists
is to club them like a baby seal.

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Originally posted by rpschnecksr:
Wish I was on an Island, away from all of this BS going on. Just me and the breeze.

Well as soon as some enviromental idiot finds out you are doing that their are going to stick their self righteous nose in to your business and find some reason to give you grief.

Their mission in life is to make sure that everyone gets some of their BS.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:
This is the republican plan:

Yeah, the 14th largest oil company in the world is driving up costs.....

That means there are 13 other companies, all foreign owned, have an impact too.

Bush to lift executive ban on offshore drilling

Jul 14 10:46 AM US/Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) - In another push to deal with soaring gas prices, President Bush on Monday will lift an executive ban on offshore drilling that his stood since his father was president.

Well God bless his soul.

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Originally posted by backtoiraq:
who is responsible for no drilling for oil?
who is responsible for no nuke power plants?
who is responsible for no refineries?

the democrats

the people who put more money into alternative energy are the oil companies. stop the lies.
the lies about anwr.. the lies about nuke power

Absolutely!
Chernobyl didn't happen. It's a democratic lie.
Three Mile Island didn't happen. It's a democratic lie.

Show me the evidence that democrats have prevented oil drilling (as opposed to additional leases), Link?

One refinery has been built in the last 30 years. Who's to blame, the oil companies. Just as with drilling, the permits have been granted. It's called supply side economics. If you limit the supply, you can increase demand, thereby increasing profit margin.

Your right. Let's stop the lies!

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Originally posted by Opfor6:
Bush to lift executive ban on offshore drilling

Jul 14 10:46 AM US/Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) - In another push to deal with soaring gas prices, President Bush on Monday will lift an executive ban on offshore drilling that his stood since his father was president.

Well God bless his soul.

And how soon will that have an impact on the price of gas? Five years, ten years? I'd be willing to make a deal with the oil companies. You drill where you want if you sell the petroleum products ONLY in the US. How's that? What a deal. Do you suppose they will go for it?

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Originally posted by Opfor6:
Bush to lift executive ban on offshore drilling

Jul 14 10:46 AM US/Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) - In another push to deal with soaring gas prices, President Bush on Monday will lift an executive ban on offshore drilling that his stood since his father was president.

Well God bless his soul.

It will not doing anything unless Congress acts. I doubt that will happen.

I hate to say this, but you're right, Dave. The President can do nothing on this matter without the approval of Congress, and that won't be forthcoming anytime soon.

So what's the solution? We're so focused on the race for the White House that we forget real power is invested in the Congress. 2008 will not be the real battleground year, but 2010 will be. Throw the bums out!! Elect fresh people who may be willing to figure a way out of this without lining the pockets of has-been hacks. Let's do this. Let's really let go. Let's send the crew in Washington home to fend for themselves and put a new crew in charge.

There was a time when I respected certain elder Congressmen--men like Moynehan and Nunn. But they're gone, and their day is over--what's left are travesties like Kennedy and Conyers--worthless parasites the lot of them. Send them packing. Make them get honest jobs. And replace them with people who want to serve the Republic rather than merely themselves....

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

quote:

Originally posted by Opfor6:
Bush to lift executive ban on offshore drilling

Jul 14 10:46 AM US/Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) - In another push to deal with soaring gas prices, President Bush on Monday will lift an executive ban on offshore drilling that his stood since his father was president.

Well God bless his soul.

It will not doing anything unless Congress acts. I doubt that will happen.

Correct Dave. But while the Executive branch is clearing the way it will be the Congress, the Democrats, that will be shown as causing and are persistent in seeing that Americas paying more and more of their hard earned income to just get to work everyday. That Americans have to drop their cable, stop eating out, even rationing the food that are in their pantries and cabinets. "Hey kids, we're going to skip Great America this year". "Hey Mom, I don't want to get my school cloths at the Thrift store".

Just wait for the stories of woe when grandma can't pay for her heating oil this year.

And when citizens are on the way to the voting poll they will think about Pelosi Maneuvers to Block Drilling Votes, Pelosi: Drilling in protected areas ‘a hoax’, Democrats Hold the Line, Republicans Seek to Lift Oil Exploration Ban , Speaker Pelosi's on energy independence pledge unfulfilled one year later, etc, etc, etc.

Opfor

She is going to be reelected no matter what she does. Further, the republicans have about as much chance of getting what the want as I do winning a $350 million dollar power ball. We would be stupid to start drilling now based on the current price because it would do nothing for years. As for all your drama about the economy, why don't you blame the guy at the top. That's what you did when Clinton or Carter were in power.

David is proof positive that politics is moree important than the Nation's well being. As was already noted, we are so far past the technologies that were responsible for the damages noted that it is like looking back at conditiond in 18th Century industrial England, and trying to terrify us today. Pure fear mongering.

Further Chernobyl was a carbon moderated nuclear plant without a containment dome. The idiots running it were "expermenting" with it during a scheduled shut down. The operators , noticing it was cooling faster than planned, pulled the moderating rods suddenly to get the temp. back up some, but because of the nature of the reaction, the plants fate was sealed.

You may note that in OUR light and heavy water reactors, ALL have very large containment domes, that we have NO commercial carbon moderated plants whatever and we actually hire well trained competent operating personel. Funny how that wokrds out so well, isn't it?

Better news still, modern nuclear energy plants have been designed so that even near "meltdowns" like 3 Mi. Isl. are no longer possible in any new plants.

As for drilling on the marginal leases that the Congress was giving releaf on, if there is no oil there, no matter royalty payments reduced to zero , it is a loser and the oil companies are not going to drill yet another dry hole to please Schmuckey Schumer and allies.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf33.html

http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/1997/labar.htm

I love how they worked "global warming" into this one to "puff" their position!

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2006/08/18/ndoil/

note, 21 dry holes after the first strike......$5 million tomes 21 , that's $105,000,000 in costs. Do, logic tells us not to drill where there's little prospect for economically (that's profitable) quantities of oil ......doesn't it?

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Better news still, modern nuclear energy plants have been designed so that even near "meltdowns" like 3 Mi. Isl. are no longer possible in any new plants.

Yes Peter so then let's just not even regulate them at all. Oh and let's build one of these unregulated plants in your back yard. How about all of them Peter, since they are so safe.

In Oklahoma, oil men are very common... REAL oilmen. The kind that wildcat and sink wells. Not these kind that sit in their chairs and read talking points from the DNC.

You want to know who is responsible... solely responsible for $4.00 a gallon gasoline? You want to know who's responsible for no nuclear power stations for the last 20 years? You want to know who is solely responsible for no new refineries? No off shore drilling? You want to know why gas WILL go to $7.00 a gallon before this is all over?

The Democrats and the enviro-whackos!

I've read some pretty lame stuff on this forum... some of it made me laugh outloud (Ol_Doc MUST be Howard Dean's spokes person) and some that just leave me shaking my head. Are people REALLY that ignorant? Must be... I mean Mueller is sucking all this up like it's fine wine...

Let's examine some of the facts, shall we?

1. If we began to drill here, now, they say that we won't see any benefit for 5 to 10 years. Jeeze, how creative. When Prudhoe Bay was okayed by the Congress it took 5 years to drill and build a pipeline from the north slope to the south. Uh boys, the pipeline is still there. It would take 6 - 18 months to build an extension to and from ANWAR. If we duplicate the size of operation that built the current pipeline, estimates move downward to 3 - 6 months.

2. They say that their really isn't that much of oil in ANWAR. Recoverable amounts are based upon the price of oil dufus. When oil was $30 a barrell the USGS said they estimated approximately 7 billion barrels. At $150 a barrell that number quadruples. Which means that if the price of a barrel continues up, then the amount of recoverable oil also goes up.

3. Drilling in ANWAR will destroy the area. Listen to Opfor boys. We need just 2,000 acres (less than .1%) and we can return it to the EXACT state it was in BEFORE any drilling took place. Since 1975 we have learned how to drill in different directions other than straight down, which means less platforms are needed.

4. They say that the oil companies have leases their not even drilling on. No kidding! Well Einstein, not every piece of land has oil or natural gas under it. You secure the lease at a public auction BEFORE you even know if it will produce. So basically, you're paying for 100 leases on which only 1 will produce. Actually, the ration is much lower than that but you have to keep it simple for the lefties. Usually, these leases are obtained sight unseen.

5. The oil companies haven't really tried to drill in ANWAR, off the coast, or other places. That my friend is just dirt ignorant. I will point you to Opfor's links. Every oilman knows that for 15 years common sense energy policy has been sitting stalled in Congress, specifically the Senate while some Demowhiner slackie fillibusters it. That slackie, the last two times Senator (hiccup) Ted Kennedy, refused to allow even debate on it.

6. Nuclear power. The envirowhacko's have blocked every attempt to build new power stations assisted by their lackies in Congress. I'd post the links here... but there are so many to go through. Try reading boys... no one has derailed that train except the Demo's.

7. Refineries. Only 1 has been built in the last 20 years. Let's take the last one they tried to build in Kansas around Dodge City. The DEMOCRATIC governor, with funding from who else, the DNC and the Sierra Club, immediately took the company to court promising to keep them tied up for the next 20 years, challenging every line of the Environmental Impace Statement. In Utah, where there was talk of building one, the Sierra Club and the DNC did the same thing.

"One refinery has been built in the last 30 years. Who's to blame, the oil companies. Just as with drilling, the permits have been granted. It's called supply side economics. If you limit the supply, you can increase demand, thereby increasing profit margin. "

A brain like a BB rollin around in a boxcar.

8. The Demowhiner answer to all of this is the mantra "ALTERNATIVE ENERGY!" Do we have any? Ethanol takes more energy to make than it gives in return - additionally, when you go to the grocery store next time, I feel for you. Electric? Nothing new in technology for batteries... you'd think that the eco-nuts would have a problem with all that acid. Solar? Yep... except when its cloudy. Wind? A Malibu with a sail, oh I can see that. Hydrogen fuel cells? There's a reason that the two prototypes are being driven around and are not scheduled for production at least for the next five years.

9. Leftie's love to say how we're running out of oil, so we have to find something else. Can you say "Bull Cookies!" The fact is that their is ESTIMATED to be over 7 TRILLION barrels of oil in the western United States alone. That's 120 years with increases in demand every year. But of course, we can't have that. So the Democrats insert a rider into a VA funding bill making it unlawful to dig for oil shale indefinately. General Electic just finds a way to get the oil out of the shale, and then has to shut down the one and only plant looking into the matter. Boy you can be proud of them lefties, huh boys.

So, what are the Democratic and liberal plans to make us energy independent? Nothing... they could spit in one hand and take a dump in the other and then they'd at least have something...

Republicans and conservatives have for years SCREAMED that we are going to be in trouble if we didn't do something... Well, the Demowhiner answer is to do something... we all get to walk!

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