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Originally posted by WO1_Tango:
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.

This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

Frisco

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health care is free in prison

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.



This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

And in my opinion, they have done well, by placing into the law of this land, that we the people will no longer allow the Insurance companys, the over charging of the American people for medical insurance.

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The Kaiser study, conducted jointly with the Health Research and Education Trust, an affiliate of the American Hospital Association, found that the average premium for a family policy offered at work rose above $13,300 in 2009 — up from $5,800 in 1999. The average employer paid more than $9,800 of that, while the workers contributed more than $3,500. The workers were also hit with larger co-payments and deductibles, while their policies often offered fewer benefits.

The premium increase this year was a relatively modest 5 percent, far below the 13 percent rate in two previous years. But that still far outpaced a 3.1 percent growth in wages and a small decrease in inflation. Absent meaningful reform, worse is sure to come.

Kaiser estimates that, if increases revert to the average of the last 10 years, health insurance premiums in 2019 will average a whopping $30,800, which it calls “a very scary number.” More immediately, a fifth of the employers surveyed said they are very likely to increase the amount that employees pay for premiums next year.

Meanwhile, the Treasury Department’s study highlighted how vulnerable Americans are to losing their coverage.

It found that, between 1997 and 2006, 48 percent of nonelderly Americans went without health insurance for at least one month, 41 percent lacked coverage for at least six months and 36 percent were uncovered for a year or more. That happened during a decade of strong economic growth. The number of uninsured is likely to be higher over the next decade, the study warns.

The argument for reform seems clear. Americans without insurance need guaranteed access to coverage. Those with insurance need a guarantee that they will not be dropped by their insurers and will be able to buy an affordable policy if their employers decide to drop coverage. And ways must be found to slow the rise in health care costs and ease the burden of paying for insurance.

Frisco

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Originally posted by reducetension:

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health care is free in prison

Don't expect much. The sooner you die there, the less it costs the tax payers.

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.

This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

Frisco

Yeah...I'm not sure that I've ever read anything the Founding Fathers wrote about health insurance...but I do know that for eight years your rights to express dissent with the policies of the Cheney White House, to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure, and to be free from the fear of being held without charges or due process were systematically gutted--the power of the executive branch inflated.

It's ironic that today, all the right-wing drum-beaters insist that power granted to the executive branch will never be given back. Thank yourselves, lovers of Dubya, for forever changing the role of the White House in your lives.

Health insurance? Get over it. If you didn't see this coming last November, if you didn't realize that this particular plank in the Dem platform helped Candidate Obama get elected President, then you bring disgrace to anyone who's ever read a newspaper anywhere.

Mandatory health insurance doesn't come close to warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without due process, torture, rendition, or the selective leaking of classified information to further a political agenda.

Not

Even


Close.

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Originally posted by NSNN:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.

This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

Frisco

Yeah...I'm not sure that I've ever read anything the Founding Fathers wrote about health insurance...but I do know that for eight years your rights to express dissent with the policies of the Cheney White House, to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure, and to be free from the fear of being held without charges or due process were systematically gutted--the power of the executive branch inflated.

It's ironic that today, all the right-wing drum-beaters insist that power granted to the executive branch will never be given back. Thank yourselves, lovers of Dubya, for forever changing the role of the White House in your lives.

Health insurance? Get over it. If you didn't see this coming last November, if you didn't realize that this particular plank in the Dem platform helped Candidate Obama get elected President, then you bring disgrace to anyone who's ever read a newspaper anywhere.

Mandatory health insurance doesn't come close to warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without due process, torture, rendition, or the selective leaking of classified information to further a political agenda.

Not

Even


Close.

Well said.

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.


This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

Frisco

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.

This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

Frisco

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Originally posted by mnoble1066:


The Communist party of America

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
You can taunt me all you want too. I really don't care.

I just hope you enjoy paying my health care bills because I have absolutely no intention of obeying this law. I here health care is free in prison, in fact I know it is.

I will determine if I want health care insurance, how much, and if I need to change it.

Not Congress.

It does matter how this compares to warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without due process (which by the way a POW is not entitled to due proscess), torture, rendition, or the selective leaking of classified material.

They are all wrong with the exception of holding a POW till the end of hostilities.

I promise you I will not submit to this and I imagine there are going to be allot of other Americans that won't either.

Now you go away I do not condone the destruction of our nation and Constitution by anyone, Democrat or Republican. Both parties are enemies of our Constitution in my opinion.

Frisco

PS: You might be interested to know that I did and still do support war crimes trials for "dubya" and Cheney. So give of your high azz and go read about facism you may be surprised you are supporting it's further inroads into our nation.

PSS: I did see this facist agenda coming last November and no we did not vote for democarats or anyone that supported their agenda nor did we vote republican, but whom we voted for is none of your business.

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Originally posted by 21yrsUSCGUSCS:
Let's see, I spent last week trying to get ahold of my Office of Worker's Comp rep in Boston to ask why one of my medical procedures was turned down for payment. I got the answering machine which is S.O.P. that said to leave a message and that they'd return my call in the next two to three working days.

So then you have to either sit by the phone for three days or carry around your bills if you want them to call on your cell phone.

Friday, 5:30 p.m., someone finally called. She had no clue about my case, she was simply letting me know that the person I needed to talk to was not available. "OK, when will she be?" I was told to try to call another person but that will have to wait until Monday.

Last year, when I went to get a loan, it was declined. I found out that I had three hits on my Credit Report.

1) an ambulance transfer when I was hospitalized back in 2004, OWCP case.

2) doctors rounds, same case, 2004

3) radio imaging, test done for that same accident, 2004.

Because the Government never got around to paying the medical bills, the collection agencies have been coming after me.

I've been fighting these battles for the past five years with a number of other unpaid bills. Not sure which is worse, the 24/7/365 pain or helplessly watching my credit score plummet.

We've all heard the horror stories of the VA hospitals. I've heard a few about Medicade and Medicare.

Can anyone who's all excited about last nights passing of the new Health Care Bill explain to me how the heck the government is going to handle running the whole country's healthcare system now?

So now they have to take the time to write up new government job descriptions, make the announcements, take applications, review them, give them the usual background checks unless they're all going to be given the title of "Czar".

New offices will have to be located and leased. Computers, office supplies and training for the people who are going to be handling all of our cases have to be paid for.

Are we all suppose to try our hardest not to get hurt until they are fully operational or can we expect the private insurance companies not to pull the plug so they can move on to something else.

Party all you want folks...as for me, I didn't sleep too well last night.

Don

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.

This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

Frisco

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Despite all the evidence against this plan ever working.. despite having to resort to the loweest of the low and evoke Bush and Cheney to defend this plan..

Some of you still cheer for it?

I guess I'm a little confused.

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Originally posted by WO1_Tango:


Despite all the evidence against this plan ever working.. despite having to resort to the loweest of the low and evoke Bush and Cheney to defend this plan..

Some of you still cheer for it?

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Originally posted by mnoble1066:


The Communist party of America

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
This is the beginning of the end for our Republic.

This Congress and anyone who would support this kind of legislation is in my opinion a disgrace to our nation, our Founding Fathers, and to every single individual who died to earn or protect our freedoms and rights.

Frisco

Yeah...I'm not sure that I've ever read anything the Founding Fathers wrote about health insurance...but I do know that for eight years your rights to express dissent with the policies of the Cheney White House, to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure, and to be free from the fear of being held without charges or due process were systematically gutted--the power of the executive branch inflated.

It's ironic that today, all the right-wing drum-beaters insist that power granted to the executive branch will never be given back. Thank yourselves, lovers of Dubya, for forever changing the role of the White House in your lives.

Health insurance? Get over it. If you didn't see this coming last November, if you didn't realize that this particular plank in the Dem platform helped Candidate Obama get elected President, then you bring disgrace to anyone who's ever read a newspaper anywhere.

Mandatory health insurance doesn't come close to warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without due process, torture, rendition, or the selective leaking of classified information to further a political agenda.

Not

Even


Close.

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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It's ironic that today, all the right-wing drum-beaters insist that power granted to the executive branch will never be given back. Thank yourselves, lovers of Dubya, for forever changing the role of the White House in your lives.

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Good thing the Dems removed all of that when they took over..... oh wait