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I want to say something about Barack Hussein Obama's name. It is a name to be proud of. It is an American name. It is a blessed name. It is a heroic name, as heroic and American in its own way as the name of General Omar Nelson Bradley or the name of Benjamin Franklin. And denigrating that name is a form of racial and religious bigotry of the most vile and debased sort. It is a prejudice against names deriving from Semitic languages!...

Barack and Hussein are Semitic words. Americans have been named with Semitic names since the founding of the Republic. Fourteen of our 43 presidents have had Semitic names. And, American English contains many Arabic-derived words that we use every day and without which we would be much impoverished. America is a world civilization with a world heritage, something Cunninghamism will never understand.

Barack is a Semitic word meaning "to bless" as a verb or "blessing" as a noun. In its Hebrew form, barak, it is found all through the Bible...

...let us take the name "Hussein." It is from the Semitic word, hasan, meaning "good" or "handsome." Husayn is the diminutive, affectionate form....

It is worth pointing out that John McCain's adopted daughter, Bridget, is originally from Bangladesh. Since Hussein is a very common name in Bangladesh, it is entirely possible that her birth father or grandfather was named Hussein. McCain certainly has Muslim relatives via adoption in his family. If Muslim relatives are a disqualification from high office in the United States, then McCain himself is in trouble...

The other thing to say about grandfathers named Hussein is that very large numbers of African-Americans probably have an ancestor ten or eleven generations ago with that name, in what is now Mali or Senegal or Nigeria. And, since so many thousands of Arab Muslims were made to convert to Catholicism in Spain after 1501, many Latinos have distant ancestors named Hussein, too. In fact, since there was a lot of Arab-Spanish intermarriage, and since there was subsequent Spanish intermarriage with other European Catholics, more European Americans are descended from a Hussein than they realize. The British royal family is quite forthright about the Arab line in their ancestry going back to Andalusia.

Obama, being a cousin of Dick Cheney on one side and having relatives in Kenya on the other, is just more and more typical of the 21st century United States.

So, anyway, Obama's first two names mean "Blessing, the Good." If we are lucky enough to get him for president, we can only hope that his names are prophetic for us.

Which brings me to Omar Bradley. Omar is an alternative spelling of Umar, i.e. Umar ibn al-Khattab, the second caliph of Sunni Islam. Presumably General Bradley was named for the poet Omar Khayyam, who bore the caliph's name. Omar Khayyam's Rubaiyat, in the "translation" of Edward FitzGerald, became enormously popular in Victorian America.

Gen. Omar Bradley, who bore a Semitic, Muslim first name, and shared it with the second Caliph of Sunni Islam, was the hero of D-Day and Normandy, of the Battle of the Bulge and the Ruhr.

Would Mr. Cunningham see Omar Bradley as un-American, as an enemy because of his name?

What about other American heroes, such as Gen. George Joulwan, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander of Europe? "Joulwan" is an Arabic name. Or there is Gen. John Abizaid, former CENTCOM commander. Abizaid is an Arabic name. Abi means Abu or "father of," and Zaid is a common Arab first name. Is Cunningham good enough to wipe their shoes? Is he going to call them traitors because they have Arabic names?

What about Congressman Darrell Issa of California? ("Isa" means Jesus in Arabic). Former cabinet secretary Donna Shalala? (Shalala means "waterfall" in Arabic).

I won't go into all the great Americans with Arabic names in sports, entertainment and business, against whom Cunningham would apparently discriminate on that basis. Does he want to take citizenship away from Kareem Abdul Jabbar [meaning "noble the servant of the Mighty"] and Ahmad Jamal [meaning "the most praised, beauty"]? What about Rihanna ["sweet basil," "aromatic"]? Tony Shalhoub [i.e. Mr. Monk]?

Let us take Benjamin Franklin. His first name is from the Hebrew Bin Yamin, the son of the Right (hand), or son of strength, or the son of the South (yamin or right has lots of connotations). The "Bin" means "son of," just as in modern colloquial Arabic. Bin Yamin Franklin is not a dishonorable name because of its Semitic root. By the way, there are lots of Muslims named Bin Yamin.
 
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Given the current situation in the mid east and alot of our nations fear of muslims, they just don't want some one with a muslim sounding name in the white house.
That's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions
 
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I just want one that can speak well.

It doesn't need to be eloquent; it just needs to not sound like a redneck stereotype of an ancillary character from an episode of The Dukes of Hazard.
 
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Given the current situation in the mid east and alot of our nations fear of muslims, they just don't want some one with a muslim sounding name in the white house.
That's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions


yup thats true... but Barack Hussein Obama is hardly an American name... that is a middle eastern name... maybe even northern Africa....


 
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Whats in a name? Letters. An Arabic- sounding name, Still Letters. Wink
 
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am American name is more of a generic name like john\Johnathan sue bob\William pet\peter carol ed\Edward ect... you know common names in America....


 
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As an American of German descent, can I still ask any child-bearing relatives to name their next boy Adolf...? Eek
 
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i dont even have an American name i have an English\Welch names all 3 of them...


 
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Interesting that you mention Jonathan. It's a Hebrew name, and names like Sarah, Adam, and May are quite common in the Arab world, and originated in the area. William is French and Peter is Greek. We're more of a melting pot than we like to think sometimes. And Bonesaw, you'll do just fine pronouncing the name of our CinC. I sometimes ask people to teach me to pronounce names if they are difficult; no one's ever objected to do so yet.
 
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... but Barack Hussein Obama is hardly an American name... that is a middle eastern name... maybe even northern Africa....

My true name comes from The Isle of Mann, trace it back even further and its roots go back to Germany, before that... who knows?

Regardless of that, I'm an American and I'll always be an American. Since America was clearly founded in colonialism (even by Native American Indian standards), the argument is that there truly is NO SUCH THING as an "American" name. We all came from somewhere else.
 
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The other day I had an applicant named Talib. An American Muslim convert who apparently chose the name because it's Arabic for "scholar". As a US Navy vet, I doubt he chose it out of solidarity with the Taliban....
 
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Sarah, Adam,

yes 2 more common names in America.... my greatgrandmother from the 1700s was named sarah....


 
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i dont even have an American name i have an English\Welch names all 3 of them...


Btw it's Welsh and that explains a lot.


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Presidential Name Etymology (a random sampling):

Washington - Originally Wessyngton or De Wessyngton. The name was taken from the place in England where the family originated

Adams - Hebrew (uh oh!) - Yiddish for: "Man, earthly, or red".

Monroe - Ireland (a mick! No way!) - Monadh Roe or Mont Roe, from the mount on the river Roe, in Ireland.

Van Buren - Dutch - From the town of Buren, in Holland.

Polk - (a vulgarity) - Derived from the parish of Pollock, in Renfrewshire, Scotland. The name is from the Gaelic Pollag, "a little, pool, pit, or pond," a diminutive of pol, a pool. It is vulgarly pronounced Pock or Polk.

Buchanan - A parish in the shire of Sterling, Scotland. The derivation of the name is uncertain. It is probably from the same root as Buchan.

Grant - it may be derived from the Saxon, Irish, or French.

Garfield - Sax., Garwian, to prepare; German and Dutch, gar, dressed, done, ready prepared, and field, a place where every thing is furnished necessary for an army.

Roosevelt - Dutch: topographic name for someone living by an area of uncultivated land overgrown with roses, from Dutch roose + velt ‘open country’.

Truman - English (mainly East Midlands): variant spelling of Trueman.
Jewish (from Latvia): habitational name for someone from a Latvian village, the Russian name of which is Trumany.
Possibly an Americanized spelling of German Trumann, a variant of Trautmann.

Eisenhower - Americanized spelling of German Eisenhauer. (Holy smokes! And we put that Nazi in charge of American forces!)

Kennedy - From the Gaelic or Celtic words Kean-na-ty; the head of the house, or chief of the clan. Ceannaide signifies also a shopkeeper, a merchant.

Reagan - Irish: reduced form of O’Regan, an Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Ríagáin ‘descendant of Riagán’, a personal name of uncertain origin, perhaps akin to ríodhgach ‘impulsive’, ‘furious’.

Clinton - Klint, a promontory, brow of a hill, cape; and ton, a town. Colonel Charles Clinton, the progenitor of the distinguished family of Clinton, and his associate emigrants from Ireland.

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In tracing these back I noticed one thing: not a single name could be traced back to America; every single one of them (even from the later presidents) could be traced back to Europe, possibly even the ME in the cases of Truman and Adams.

Are you sure your problem isn't so much that the name doesn't sound "American" but instead is that it doesn't sound so much - how do I put this? - white?
 
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Interesting that you mention Jonathan. It's a Hebrew name, and names like Sarah, Adam, and May are quite common in the Arab world, and originated in the area. William is French and Peter is Greek. We're more of a melting pot than we like to think sometimes. And Bonesaw, you'll do just fine pronouncing the name of our CinC. I sometimes ask people to teach me to pronounce names if they are difficult; no one's ever objected to do so yet.


What is so difficult about John?


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And Bonesaw, you'll do just fine pronouncing the name of our CinC. I sometimes ask people to teach me to pronounce names if they are difficult; no one's ever objected to do so yet.

I think you completely missed the context of my post.

What I said was: "I wants a preserdent that can talk more gooder."
 
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His name nor his race bother me. What he stands for and intends to do....does bother me.

And with that, I'm voting for McCain.
 
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And Bonesaw, you'll do just fine pronouncing the name of our CinC. I sometimes ask people to teach me to pronounce names if they are difficult; no one's ever objected to do so yet.

I think you completely missed the context of my post.

What I said was: "I wants a preserdent that can talk more gooder."

Oops- yes, it would be nice to have a leader that can speak the language.
 
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Given the current situation in the mid east and alot of our nations fear of muslims, they just don't want some one with a muslim sounding name in the white house.
That's my opinion and you know what they say about opinions
yup thats true... but Barack Hussein Obama is hardly an American name... that is a middle eastern name... maybe even northern Africa....
So, would you say that Omar Bradley should not have been given an appointment to West Point, given the opportunity to get a Army commission or given a senior command in the United States Army - because "Omar" is a Middle Eastern name - indeed a name originally from northern Africa?

If having a "middle eastern name... maybe even northern Africa" is, somehow, a disqualifacation for the Presidency, surely it should be a disqualifacation for an Army commission? Wink
 
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Flightdirector - consider the source. Outlaws just babbles.
 
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Like several other names, Omar is a name that's bounced around the ME. It's Hebrew and Arabic, like Layla, Adam, Sarah, Abraham and several other names.
 
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