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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint "Americas brutal prisons". A documentary by british channel 4 TV|
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Again, someone in their wisdom placed laws determining what constitutes imprisonment. To not follow those laws is against the law. Period! No one is above the law, or do you believe there should be exceptions to that? Some, because of their positions, should be allowed to break the law? WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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COMMENT: ...or if you have friends in "high places," then you can get your incarceration revoked and expect a complete pardon in 8 months -- if you're Scooter Libby. |
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FriscoLady, We may not agree on any other politcal issues, but you have my utmost respect in your handling of this whole situation.  |
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The answer is quite simple......don't commit crimes! |
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Thank You, Sir. Frisco |
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pken, all I can say is AMEN! You and I agree totally on that one. Frisco |
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COMMENT: ...and the rest of the answer is reform the excesses in the damned legal system. |
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Some of the replies I've seen here boggle the mind. People who go to prison deserve to be raped, beaten and brutalized? Seriously?
You know that look a woman gets when she wants sex? Neither do I. |
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SurfaceDog, Have you ever had a loved one or friend brutaly raped or murdered? Same question I proposed to Liberal90! Just out of curiosity... |
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Have you ever had a loved one busted for pot or theft and then raped and brutalized in prison? Just out of curiosity... You know that look a woman gets when she wants sex? Neither do I. |
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I will actually answer your question. No I have not. I have had an Uncle who served time for his perverted crimes...that may have succomed to some harsh times....do I feel bad? No. He did his crime. He did his time. He was guilty. He is family. But he was guilty. Do you have any usefullness to this conversation? Or do you want to ask more questions? Play the "Devil's advocate" some more?  |
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And I will answer yours - no, I have never had a close family member raped or murdered. I just have the silly notion that this is a great country, that what sets up apart from the third-world crapholes and "workers' paradises" of this planet is that we are, first and foremost a nation of laws. I am all in favor of the death penalty. I am all in favor of taking away a person's freedom and/or life if they violate the social contract in this country by breaking its laws, especially if their crime harmed another. I also am opposed to many of the amenities we offer prisoners, and wouldn't mind a return to the chain-gang system, provided that the same abuses that led to its abolishment didn't resurface. But brutality by prison guards degrades our justice system and degrades every citizen. I frankly couldn't care less if, say, a child molestor gets beaten up in prison by some inmates. But when the guards get involved then that's a condemnation of ALL of us. Note the lack of a question mark in any of that. You know that look a woman gets when she wants sex? Neither do I. |
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Noted. At the same time, can you not see a difference between a person who "feels" a certain way...and someone who has "lived" thru a life we just commented on? If you can...without actually living it...I don't know what to say...but you are entitled to your own opinion....some of us fight that arguement everyday! I don't know the answer myself.... I just wish it was so simple to post on an internet site and fix the woes of our justice system. |
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Of course I can see the difference - and I would certainly be a little more cautious in discussing this with someone who had been the victim of a violent crime - in OR out of prison. I don't think that people with 'experience' one way or the other in this area have any more right to comment than another, though. We aren't arguing the emotional topic of how much we'd like to hurt the guys who did this or that to Cousin Johnny - this strikes to the very heart of how we, as Americans, should view our justice system and by extension ourselves. I do not 'feel' any personal responsibility for the fact that this country has rapists and murderers, but I DO feel that when those rapists and thugs are part of MY justice system that I bear some responsibility. Like I said - when our institutions are the lawbreakers it demeans us all. You're right that we aren't going to fix squat here on the ol' interweb (to quote a friend), but the discussion has to start somewhere. You know that look a woman gets when she wants sex? Neither do I. |
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But it won't be tonight! Have to go to work in the morning! Thanks for keepin it civil...gd'night! |
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Prisons are big business. Private companies run these hellholes and get away with putting 3 men in a cell that holds 2; and thats tight when you have 2 big men that are dug in and have alot of stuff. The laws have to be reformed, there are back logs of court cases adding to the problem. Jail is bad.
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I'd like to give a crap about what's going on in our prisons but with all the other crazy stuff going on in our shitty world, caring for it is way down on my list.
"I reject your logic and replace it with my own" |
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You will give a crap when it is one of your loved ones or you. And don't think it cannot happen that a close loved one or you that may end up locked up. Believe me I did not give a crap either till it was me. Frisco |
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COMMENT: The legal system in the U.S. is "broken" and regressive. That alone is reason enough to care and be concerned about it. |
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BS, I know people who are and have been in prison, but for the grace of God go I, everyone desreved to be there and I never cared what happened to them, I guss I'm just lucky that my family and myself are law abiding ctizens, huh? "I reject your logic and replace it with my own" |
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