Do you like this... Yes or No?

PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE THIS.

The services should be listed in historical seniority by date of founding.

Yes I do like it, looking good!

I never knew that there was an actual 'order' to them?

Other than that? LOL

But, if you could give me the order, I will GLADLY change it.

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines. Coast Guard

If we were to go by chronological, it would be Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force & Coast Guard, would it not?

quote:

Originally posted by SwtDivaLove:

If we were to go by chronological, it would be Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force & Coast Guard, would it not?

The United States Navy was formed on October 13, 1775.

The United States Marine Corps was formed on November 10, 1775; one month later.

Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard.

Rgr that, Bone!

Actually, I forgot that the Coast Guard was founded in 1790 by Alexander Hamilton (August 4, 1790 to be exact).

So, correct chronological order is:

Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, Air Force.

D'oh! LOL And, I just FIXED it. LOL

Seniority of the Army, Navy and Marine Corps is obscured by the divergent elements of the intentions of the Continental Congress as compared to the realization of those intentions. Although the intention of the Congress to establish an Army is apparent in several resolutions of June 1775, the realization of those intentions was not effected until 01 January 1776 when General Washington stated in his orderly book, "This day giving commencement to the new Army which in every point of view is entirely Continental." Likewise the Navy which the Congress created by resolution in October 1775 was not to be realized until several months later. The process of procuring and outfitting ships as well as enlisting and commissioning personnel was a time consuming one. The commander in chief of the Navy and other officers were not commissioned until 22 December 1775.

The Marine Corps, on the other hand, even though established by resolution on 10 November 1775, was actually a force in readiness before the Army or the Navy. Samuel Nicholas was commissioned a Captain of Marines on 28 November 1775, a month before the first officer of the Continental Navy was commissioned. In fact, the only facts that correspond to the present parade order of Army, Marine Corps, and Navy respectively, are the dates when their first officers were commissioned, in June, November, and December of 1775. Indeed, the Marine Corps' claim to being the oldest integral force in being results primarily from fortunate circumstances. The Corps was much smaller and more closely knit than either of the other services, and its origin was not complicated by the existence of provincial and local forces already in the field.



Thus, the Continental Marine force was all regular Marine from the beginning during the period when the Army was an amorphous mass of mixed Continentals and militia, and the Navy lacked ships. The Marine Corps, therefore, could be considered the first truly "federal" armed services branch of the United States of America. In any case, the present order of parade precedence has become one of our foremost military customs and as the foregoing has indicated, there is little evidence to support any change in that order. The present order of parade precedence is defined in DoD Directive 1005.8 as Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force.

Therefore, by analogy, the order of display of colors in any fashion, to include service branch seals, should be in the same order.

DoD Dir 1005.8.doc


www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/html2/d10058x.htm

Wow... THANK YOU!

But, where does the Coast Guard fit?

I love it, where can I get a bumper sticker like that?

Coast Guard: Some colonies had a maritime force, then later, some states did, the national branch came later, but they were here before the Air Force, since Coasties had cutters used in WW2.

not sure why the link is not working. Direct cut and paste from directive:

3. PRESCRIBED PROCEDURE

By virtue of the authority vested in the Secretary of Defense, under the provisions of reference (b), and pursuant to agreement with the Secretary of Transportation and the Secretary of Commerce, members of the Armed Forces of the United States and Merchant Marine midshipmen shall take precedence in the following order when in formations:

3.1. Cadets, United States Military Academy.

3.2. Midshipmen, United States Naval Academy.

3.3. Cadets, United States Air Force Academy.

3.4. Cadets, United States Coast Guard Academy.

3.5. Midshipmen, United States Merchant Marine Academy. *

3.6. United States Army.

3.7. United States Marine Corps.

3.8. United States Navy.

3.9. United States Air Force.

3.10. United States Coast Guard.

3.11. Army National Guard of the United States.

3.12. Army Reserve.

3.13. Marine Corps Reserve.

3.14. Naval Reserve.

3.15. Air National Guard of the United States.

3.16. Air Force Reserve.

3.17. Coast Guard Reserve.

3.18. Other training organizations of the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard, in that order, respectively.

Provided, however, that during any period when the United States Coast Guard shall operate as part of the United States Navy, the Cadets, United States Coast Guard Academy, the United States Coast Guard, and the Coast Guard Reserve, shall take precedence, respectively, next after the Midshipmen, United States Naval Academy, the United States Navy, and the Naval Reserve.

Rgr that! Thank you, Sir!

Try this link...

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/websites/dodandmilitary...es/html2/d10058x.htm

Link worked!

And, fixed it accordingly.

quote:

Originally posted by dogfacedjarhead:

Likewise the Navy which the Congress created by resolution in October 1775 was not to be realized until several months later. The process of procuring and outfitting ships as well as enlisting and commissioning personnel was a time consuming one. The commander in chief of the Navy and other officers were not commissioned until 22 December 1775.

Negative:

"Congress received word that two unarmed British supply ships from England were heading towards Quebec without escort. A plan was drawn up to intercept the ships, however the armed vessels to be used were owned not by Congress, but by individual colonies. Of greater significance, then, was an additional plan to equip two ships that would operate under the direct authority of Congress to capture British supply transports. This was not carried out until October 13, 1775, when George Washington announced that he had taken command of three ARMED schooners under Continental authority to intercept any British supply ships near Massachusetts. With the revelation that vessels were already sailing under Continental control, the decision to add two more was made easier; the resolution was adopted and October 13 would later become known as the United States Navy's official birthday."

"At its founding, the Marine Corps was composed of infantry serving aboard naval vessels and was responsible for the security of the ship and her crew by conducting offensive and defensive combat during boarding actions, and defending the ship's officers from mutiny; to the latter end, their quarters on ship were often strategically positioned between the officers' quarters and the rest of the vessel. Continental Marines, as they were known at the time, were also responsible for manning raiding parties, both at sea and ashore."

Try as you might. The official birthdays of both the Navy and the Marines are set in history... and you can't put the cart (marines) before the horse (the naval ships from which they initially served).

LOL...How in the hell could you have Marines before a Navy??

quote:

Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:

Negative:

"Congress received word that two unarmed British supply ships from England were heading towards Quebec without escort. A plan was drawn up to intercept the ships, however the armed vessels to be used were owned not by Congress, but by individual colonies. Of greater significance, then, was an additional plan to equip two ships that would operate under the direct authority of Congress to capture British supply transports. This was not carried out until October 13, 1775, when George Washington announced that he had taken command of three ARMED schooners under Continental authority to intercept any British supply ships near Massachusetts. With the revelation that vessels were already sailing under Continental control, the decision to add two more was made easier; the resolution was adopted and October 13 would later become known as the United States Navy's official birthday."

"At its founding, the Marine Corps was composed of infantry serving aboard naval vessels and was responsible for the security of the ship and her crew by conducting offensive and defensive combat during boarding actions, and defending the ship's officers from mutiny; to the latter end, their quarters on ship were often strategically positioned between the officers' quarters and the rest of the vessel. Continental Marines, as they were known at the time, were also responsible for manning raiding parties, both at sea and ashore."

Try as you might. The official birthdays of both the Navy and the Marines are set in history... and you can't put the cart (marines) before the horse (the naval ships from which they initially served).

That is the correct order of the 'officially recognized' birthdays (throughout our early history services were disbanded and re-established), the Order of Precedence is provided in the DoD Directive at the link above.

As far as the the 'Navy' that Washington used in 1775, which is the correct paraphrase?

George Washington announced that he had taken command of three armed schooners that were under Continental Authority, or;

George Washington announced that, under Continental Authority he had taken command (ie commandeered) three armed schooners owned by individual colonies.

I believe the difference to be significant. My guess is the latter, but perhaps you have more info on this? And the reference I cited regarded officially commisioning by the Continental Congress. George Washington was a General in the Army, not an officer in the Navy.

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The commandeered status of the ships would make more sense regarding one of your cited purposes of the Marines protecting the officers of the ship - if it was a colonial ship commandeered by the 'federal' government, led by an Army general and led directly into combat (remember many crewmen were pressed into service, not volunteers), armed control of the crew would be essential.

Amazing... JUST AMAZING! LOL

A graphic, for the sole purpose of nothing really, other than being a banner, created debate. LOL