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-------------------  Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group -------------------  |
For the second time in history the United States is facing a severe fracture and wound. Not since the Civil War have we come this close to the loss of our nation. A nation which was envisioned from a group of colonists that had enough of oppression and tyranny from England. The Founders, as we know them today, spent many arduous hours hammering out a Constitution and then a Bill of Rights. The entire purpose of those documents were to ensure our personal Freedoms as individuals within the construct of common laws to protect the individual and to foster a strong nation. To build in checks and balances.
The Federal government was formed and was given certain powers to see to the citizenry freedoms, rights and to raise an Army to protect the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. These Federal powers were granted from the newly formed States by agreement. It appears the nation, once again, faces collapse from within. January 20th 2009 ushered in a new Administration and a host of radical thinking Aids to the President. A President who as we know surrounds himself with individuals with one agenda; destroy the economy and a capitalist free society. Ushering in either a Socialist, Communistic or Fascist regime. Even many in Congress side with this President’s vision from their inaction alone. Only “Blue Dog” Democrats seem to not tow the line, save a Republican or two. The Constitution is under assault and Congress as well as the White House is bent on circumventing the Constitution in order to achieve their dark objectives. How can free loving citizens stop such a purposeful onslaught of destruction and directional change of their nation? The best way is to vote out those who do not have the majority ideals and principles foremost in the minds of the electorate. The last option, is of course, a bloody one and is not the best option. One should remember that the U.S. military has a mandate to follow the orders of the CINC (President). However, the CINC is not above the Constitution or Bill of Rights; no one is. Remember this portion of the military oath, “to protect and defend the Constitution of the United Sates against all enemies foreign and domestic. This military oath is comforting; at least to myself. However, the oath does not mean that the population should not do everything within the law to vote out those that do not have the best interest in mind according to our Constitution. The Republican party is fractured and bears the same old crowd of candidates from election to election. There has been an awakening in this country on two levels. One is to stop the coming tyranny and the other is the true power in this nation; “We The People!” No longer can Americans not pay attention to their government actions on a limited level. Because of this limited attention it has cost us dearly. No longer can we allow two parties to rule them all; hence our situation. No longer must we say to ourselves “I can’t run for office without being backed by either party.” If we as Americans wish to change and roll back the unnecessary and wasteful direction of our government; local and national then we must act collectively. We must combine the Tea Party movement, 912 Project, and Conservatives alike throughout the nation in a combined effort to raise Candidates from obscurity to public office. The time is now and not in 2010; we are behind and cannot wait any longer. We can no longer stay asleep only to wake and listen to lies; then vote. We can no longer trust those we send to represent us. We must be always be vigilant! Time is of the essence! |
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Highly Experienced Member 14000 posts as Cider33Alpha ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ |
1471: Please state, for the record, what EXACTLY is your BLUF?
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You are comparing the current climate to that preceding the civil war? And, in so far as a climate of national self-destruction exists, you do not think you and your faction are a major part of it?
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Let me try: "The country is going to hell in a handbasket because no one will do things my way." How is that? I know it isn't perfect, but it was the best I could do with the 3 seconds I allotted to the task. |
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There should be some good news here too. Not everything is bad...just think there are children being born, people falling in love and bright sunny days for those who wish to enjoy them.
 "There are those who believe there are two types of people in the world: Those who believe there are two types of people; and those who don't." John Mahoney... |
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Lead Moderator, Veterans Issues Forums davem-milcom @cinci.rr.com Founding Member DVG  |
We had an election. Two opposing political views where presented. They where deeply opposing. One was keep us on a course like we have been on for the last 8 years, the other radical change. The campaign promise of Obama was change. The majority of those who choose to go to the polls, choose change. And although some consider it radical, the change is not that far from change we have seen before in tough economic times.
The pre Civil War period had issues of great division that separated the interests of the North and South, and the West. The south went to war to keep the force of change from overwhelming their economic basis - the system of slavery. Such forces do not exist today. There is no regional issue (except maybe in Texas) that so separates the country economically and politically that a Civil War will again happen. I see splinters in the republican movement. This is not the first time in my life that those who are conservative have looked at their body politic and determined that their base was wrong and the leadership was wrong. Republicans in the past where fiscal policy conservatives, and in favor of smaller government and big defense. Today, they are family value conservatives, and choose to spend on that agenda. To keep their traditional allies in business happy, they spend, but do not tax. And that is part of our mess on the state and local level. Parties evolve at the grass roots level. If you want your party to evolve past the Tea Party stage, then you must get involved in the party and change it. |
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Good post, Dave.
Thanks for your contribution. "There are those who believe there are two types of people in the world: Those who believe there are two types of people; and those who don't." John Mahoney... |
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The funny thing about it is they are really not as different as some would lead you to believe. |
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What? Is the sky falling again?
Do people REALLY want to return to the 'good old days?' At no time in history has the per capita death rate been lower or people died from hunger less or .... What? Can't stand prosperity? So now a segment of the population thinks it would be fun to generate a second Civil War. Good thinkin'. Right up there with f a r t ing on a match. |
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It's not Tyranny. It's called DEMOCRACY. You know...that 4-year American ritual (the Fifteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution) where adults go to the voting booth and vote for the next President and also Representatives in Congress. If you're so big on defending the Constitution why don't you read it?
President Obama ran on the platform of Healthcare reform and getting us out of Iraq (among other things). Apparently most Americans wanted that - and he was ELECTED by a pretty fair margin. He is no socialist - he's barely even a liberal. Your "Tea Party" should really be called the "Sore Loser" party because that is what they are - a bunch of sour grapes who can't get over the fact that you LOST THE ELECTION. If anyone is "fracturing" the country, it's the Sore Losers who keep making up these inane stories and wild lies - BTW, I'm sure you're making our enemies very happy. There is another election in 3 years. Instead of talking about overthrowing the government (which is Anarchy), why don't you find a platform and run a decent candidate? |
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Good post, Granny. Except that it's not anarchy; maybe it's distemper. |
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Were leaving the good ole days. |
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Could it be this that is the reason for the original post? That the two parties are little more than a single patsy to big corporate interests. And that both are robbing the tax payer blind. Never before has it become as clear to as many that they have no representation in congress. That their representatives are mostly bought and paid for by large interest groups with deep pockets. That the media is complicit in the whole thing and hardly represents any more than a giant propaganda wing. It will become more clear as time goes on. The citizens of this nation are quickly becoming disenfranchised with the whole system.
-http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/ap_on_re_us/us_microcosm_of_america Now after the last 8 years do you really think the Republicans are going to win? I say NO. The people are just ****ed they have no real choices. |
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Sedition is a term of law which refers to overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition. |
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------------------- Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group ------------------- |
The sentence does not infer or direct or push for such an action. Rather what could happen or might happen. |
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Dave M gave the ad hominem explanation for the Civil War...but it was more complex than just slavery (a popular notion). The war was about North vs South on States Rights issues (SC and Ft. Sumpter), trade tariffs, embargo issues beyond slavery,and taxes on cotton for example and exports...literally it was about regional economics...and who was going to make the most money based on their regional economies...agriculture? manufacturing? etc...
Today we have similar issues with the State of Washinton vs South Carolina and Boeing 787 production... also competition against Airbus in cahots with McDonnel Douglas (US). People raise the bar on war and emotion by adding emotional issues to the stew of the real reasons for war. Most recent examples; Iraq and Afghanistan. |
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Hope you had your flack jacket on when you wrote this position. You have drawn most of the far left posters to this treastise, with the exception of two Mods. Got to watch my step. "We have met the Enemy and he is Us." Pogo |
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The quoted sentence implies--at least to some who take the inference--an option, so the implication borders on an explicit suggestion. Far too much of that 'round here, and precious little offered as a better option. 'Vote them all out' is rather a pointless exercise in rhetoric when the process is actually about voting someone else in. One might consider offering specific alternatives--with names and faces and records that the membership can research and debate--rather than thinly varnished threats of armed revolt. Elliott threw Marco Rubio's hat into the mildotcom ring for a seat in the Florida Senate--I think he'd have a better chance running against the incumbent in his House District than he'll have challenging the outgoing Governor in a primary, but I don't vote in Florida so my opinion matters little there...but that's where the solution starts---coming from a member I don't think I've exchanged two civil words with. Tip o' the cap, Elliott. Rubio's is the only name I've seen here while the rhetoric of violence runs rampant. Now go a-way or I shall taunt you a second time! |
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Yooper, those that voice frustration may sound "violent" to some, but understand something that runs in their "fiber" as well as yours, and others of the (possibly) "Left Leaning Moderates...," that in our youth we swore with every fiber of our being to "Uphold and Defend The Constitution of the United States..."
Although we all have our own preferred "Tactics, Techniques and Procedures" in dealing with life, that, that Oath is our common bond. We may conduct ourselves much like siblings that fight amongst ourselves until someone outside the family/neighborhood comes along to challenge our solidarity... Yes, I am a "Class A" SOB, its just the way I roll. I'm a product of my environment (Infantry). |
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My father was a Kennedy Liberal, a devout Catholic, a veteran, a lawyer who earned an ironworkers' union card working his way through law school, and quoted Irish Poetry and the Gospel of Luke:
I suppose we're all products of our environment...but often voice far too much unchecked anger and far too little unconditional gratitude. When I hear the rumbles of the sky falling, I won't hesitate to take up arms once again...but the hyperbole and rhetoric about the downfall of This Great Country are getting out of hand. There will always be a few unstable characters flying under the radar and awaiting marching orders to start The Battle. The Constitution was written in Black and White, but it's interpretation will always be in shades of gray requiring a case-by-case reading in context by our brightest legal minds. Hell--even those brilliant men and women are as likely as not to split right down the middle. Part of that is ideology...but part of it is the vague ambiguity of the document against an infinite number of 'What if's... Our OP here is projecting a Constitutional Crisis worthy of bloodshed over... Health Insurance. Government loans to huge banks at risk of failure that hold the mortgages and retirement accounts of millions and millions of Americans. The Two Party System. This part is telling:
Heh heh--he said 'collective..'. But seriously: [purely my perception]It's a pitch for the purification of the Republican Party. It's a non-starter that's failed the Right for a mid-term in 06 and a Presidential and Congressional election in 08.[/purely my perception] If it will cost the GOP another election, carry on. I prefer building diverse coalitions to loud and forcible conversions. Your enemy today may be the guy who'll have your back in the next fight. Now go a-way or I shall taunt you a second time! |
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