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W’s Vision:
President Bush has defined success in Iraq a state that can "govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself. An Iraq that enjoys a broadly representative government that maintains its territorial integrity, is at peace with its neighbors, denies terrorism a sanctuary, and doesn't brutalize its own people.” W’s Plan: American troops are to babysit the Iraqi government until they get their $hit together and can provide a stable, less-corrupt government for the people of Iraq and become a “beacon of democracy” in the Middle East. But, according to the Government Accountability Office there is no strategy to reach this lofty goal, no diplomatic “surge” or coherent plan to consolidate the few gains that have been achieved by the recent reduction in violence. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08837.pdf page 58 “Weaknesses in “the way forward” and the Joint Campaign Plan are symptomatic of recurring weaknesses in past U.S. strategic planning efforts. Our prior reports assessing (1) the National Strategy for Victory in Iraq, (2) U.S. efforts to develop the capacity of Iraq’s ministries, and (3) U.S. and Iraqi efforts to rebuild Iraq’s energy sector found strategies that lacked clear purpose, scope, roles and responsibilities, and performance measures. For example, we found that the NSVI (National Strategy for Victory in Iraq) only partially identified the agencies responsible for implementing the strategy, the current and future costs, and Iraq’s contributions to future needs. Although multiple U.S. agencies have programs to develop the capacity of Iraqi ministries, U.S. efforts lack an integrated strategy. Finally, although the United States has spent billions of dollars to rebuild Iraq’s oil and electricity sectors, Iraq lacks an integrated strategic plan for the energy sector. We recommended that the National Security Council, DOD, and State complete a strategic plan for Iraq and that State work with the Iraqi government to develop integrated strategic plans for ministry capacity development and the energy sector. Clear strategies are needed to guide U.S. efforts, manage risk, and identify needed resources .” To not have a clear strategy to coordinate the very complex situation in Iraq, after all this time is among the biggest of the many failures on the part of the CinC. |
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We have not failed in Iraq as the work continues. Militarily, we have achieved our goals; politically, there is still work to be done.   "The World's Finest" |
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That was kinda the point...
AS Lewis Black said, "HOW are we going to bring democracy to Iraq? HOW?!? Are we gonna give them all civics books and they're gonna haveta take a ****ing TEST?" Woody Allen once said that any man who makes a pun should be 'drawn and quoted.' |
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If anyone thinks democracy in Iraq will resemble democracy in America, they're delusional... "The World's Finest" |
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Umm...you said it, not me. I'll back out of this. You just made my point. Woody Allen once said that any man who makes a pun should be 'drawn and quoted.' |
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We have not failed in Iraq as the work continues. Militarily, we have achieved our goals; politically, there is still work to be done.[/QUOTE] There is nothing in my post that hints that American forces have failed. It is the CinC who has failed – repeatedly. There is no plan to take advantage of the outstanding job that the American military has done while in Iraq. Every combat mission they have been given has been accomplished. But because the President’s plan depends on the Iraqis being successful, the ultimate mission cannot be accomplished by American troops. The President has led the military into a situation where it is dependent on another country’s army and Parliament to be successful. It is not like they are under the command of the United Nations, but they do not control their own destiny. It comes down to this – the American military can surge every-other year for a generation when violence gets out of hand and constantly be successful in keeping a lid on the violence. But if the Iraqis do not get their $h!# together, the MISSION can not be successful. The success of America’s mission in Iraq depends on the Iraqis, and the President has no plan to make the Iraqis successful. That leaves the troops hanging in a no-win situation. |
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What could be worse than a Commander in Chief leading a nation to war without a plan for victory over its enemies?
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He was just a little confused. His administration had plenty of wishful thinking, disguised as a plan. |
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Their original plan for Iraq seemed to consist of nothing more than, "I've got a hunch it will all turn out perfectly. Let's just go in, take out Saddam, and see what happens." That's taking naivety and negligence to a criminal level.
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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint Pres. Bush’s vision for Iraq vs The CinC’s plan for Iraq
