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Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? |
Oh, sorry I also forgot to complain about the liberals way of changing rules in the middle of things and then not understanding why people are upset. Was this rule in place at the start of the season? Nah, but in order to try and make everyone feel better they changed rules in the middle of the season. And I am not a neo-con, a neo-con is a person who was a liberal and became a conservative. I was raised better than to have ever been a liberal. Now a question on how you are rationalizing these two statements of yours.
You were arguing for the sake of preventing injury he shouldn't be allowed to pitch. Now you want him to pitch and play with the older kids. If he is pitching against older kids how does that prevent him from injurying himself? Dang liberals always have a "backup argument" that contradicts there earlier statements. Just shows that you don't know what you are saying. |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! |
Experience, Bill. It's nothing personal, it's simply a disagreement between party-political lines. I am more of a moderate than anything, and I don't like to affix labels to individuals. However, instances and movements can definitely be assigned political tripe. It was a liberal movement that taught us that it was abuse to spank our kids. I disagree with this, as discipline (a conservative value) is important to rearing a child to mature with an understanding of consequences that may hurt when a foolish decision is made. It was a liberal movement that "no child left behind" create a grading curve that had nothing to do with learning and everything to do with not letting children feel they're in any way anything but equal. And our kids suffer for it. I attend college with 18-year olds that cannot even converse with proper grammar and spelling in text-based discussions. Liberals once again poked their heads up and decried the Little League World Series as detrimental to our kids and worked to have it banned. Liberals refuse dress codes in schools. Why? Do you like the idea of a 14-year old girl dressing like a **** or a teenage boy looking like a typical street thug gangster? When they get their first job as an adult, will there be a dress code for work hours? Or will that only stifle individual expression of freedom, too? That is the liberal Alma mater: It's for the children! No, it's not. Everything I listed above and countless more I've not listed have turned our children into vessels of irresponsible young adults that expect things to be done for them. I see it in college, I see it in the workplace, I see it at Subway when they are ordering a sandwich. Whatever happened to letting kids play outside until dark after their homework was done? Nope, in today's world a bruised elbow or scraped knee on a kid is abuse and irresponsible parenting. Whatever happened to swats in school when a kid acted like a jackazz? Lord knows I felt my fair share! Nope. In today's modern and better society, corporal punishment is abuse and if you touch my kid I'll sue you! School shootings are up. So here's an idea, let's put up a sign that says "gun free school zone!" That'll stop them murdering kids peed off at the world from shooting anyone! What's that? Arm the teachers? Are you nuts? We live in a society of peace. Arming a teacher will only increase gun violence, while our sign will end it! While we're at it, we need to teach that homosexuality is a perfectly normal, accepted facet of society. The sooner the better, too, so let's begin about third grade. How's that for a politically correct idea? I done good, ain't I Ralph? Let's not allow kids to play contact sports like they once did, as someone may get hurt like we once did. Never mind that we grew up to work tough and play tough with personal responsibility and bodies of steel from all that outdoor exercise... No sir, not today, I tell ya. Stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? Are you insane? It has GOD in there! How dare you make my child pledge an allegiance to this country founded on that God? Do you see a pattern here, Bill? I'll help you out: School violence is UP. Education standards are DOWN. Kids back talk their parents with impunity because if I spank my son I am abusing him, and he knows one word to the school nurse and my azz is going to jail. Kids dress like slobs and gangsters and ****s with no care for any pride in appearance. They get their first job and fail because they didn't realize that EFFORT was the key, expecting instead the freebie they've a "right" to. The act like little terrors because they are, in fact, little terrors. Pride in the United States of America is DOWN as a result of all this liberal gibberish spewed forth from the mouths of the insane left wingers that want everyone to feel good and pretend all is alright. It's not alright, Bill, not by a long shot! We are permanently damaging our kids. Stuff like this pitcher being told he is too good because the other kids aren't as good is ruining this nation, Bill. RUINING this nation, Bill. Not hurting it, not blemishing it - RUINING it. We have replaced personal pride with apathy. We have replaced personal responsibility with mass association. We have replaced hard work with entitlement. We have replaced truth with excuse. We have replaced greatness with mediocrity. School shooting are UP, Bill, not down. Same number of kids, same number of guns. What changed? Look above to see what changed and tell me that liberals have done the right thing instigating these things... Guys like me are tired of the toilet swirl the liberals have made this country, and we want it back. We want back those personal and moral values and responsibilities liberals tell us are outdated and not fair. We want our kids to compete to be successful, to know the true meaning of personal ambition, to reap rewards that they EARNED. Can't you see the moral decline we're faced with? Can you not put the pieces together? Does it so easily elude you what steps have been taken and where they have taken us? It is time for this country to wake the hell up and admit that our path has strayed and we need to revert to what worked. Do it for the children. For once, do it right - for them and to them. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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To the topic: I'm sure someone has said this,but this ABSOLUTELYRE*******DICULOUS!
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More to the point: look how we reward professional athletes versus scholars and engineers. |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! |
/MOD HAT OFF I agree completely. We idolize those with physical prowess and ignore those that have the ingenuity and talent to challenge our modes of standard thought processes, and that is shameful. Our intellectual superiors are scoffed at rather than reveled, and the sad part of all of that is that WE lose - when will we learn to accept that some have much to instruct in while others have little to offer... and know how to differentiate between the two? Personally, I enjoy learning from people. In order to do that, I have to attention myself to those who disagree with me. Those that parrot my own beliefs only serve to uphold my own sense of righteousness, whereas those that disagree make me pause and consider my stance as possibly flawed and in need of revision. In my opinion, if we all did this then we'd all be able to gracefully accept correction and minister to one-another truths rather than fallacies. Again, my humble opinion. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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Great post!  |
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so many great points brought forth on both sides of the issue here
-all 9 year olds are in developmental leagues [never seen a 9 yo expert league-have however seen kids moved up to older brackets where its allowed] -children playing with Jericho could either become better by playing along side him or depressed at the inequity -would it be better for Jericho to play with oledr kids who challenge him and thus make him better -whats the potential for injury to the boy or the opposing team etc. i honestly see both sides here [teehee as a girl I did play little league ball as did my younger sister and brother  -k.i certainly wasnt a phenom or even necessarily good but i had fun and Im glad i had the experience]Honestly my overriding feelings about this come as the aunt of a basketball "phenom" my oldest nephew was ranked nationally as a FRESHMAN already listed on numerous scouting websites. ranked anywhere between #3 and #5 for freshmen bballers in the country.  hes a sophmore now and plays for a leading prep team and ofcourse has done ACLU stuff all over the country.Since hes much older now things have definatly changed-but i remember how nasty the other parents were when he was younger and playing on local teams.Parents who tried to get him removed from competition just because he was better than their little "jonny" or parents who would [loudly in the stands mind you] claim that our team was cheating or that he couldnt be 10 or 11 or how ever old he was at the time.Ive even seen refs with obvious bias towards him because he was "better" than the other kids. *sigh* I am sure that Jerichos family will do what they think is best and support him in his baseball development and that the other parents wil too. all i know is that as a family member of a "phenom" active in youth sports that its the adults that **** everything up. |
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Looks like this discussion has turned into a rant against liberals. I don't know where you live but here the parents and others in the community have had an awakening, recognize the stupidity, and are making efforts to reverse the trends noted above.
One time I was sitting in the NCO club having a discussion with the Sgt. Major and he blurted out "Do you know why there are so many stupid young people..." At that point I cut him off and said "Because there are so many stupid old people." Stands to reason, we had to learn it somewhere. At this point all I can add is if you don't like the way the leagues are organized... If you don't like the way the teams are being coached... Push away from the keyboard... Get off your a$$... And go get involved with the sport of your choice. You don't have to coach. There are many other functions where help is needed. Same for the schools. If you don't like what is happening in your school district get off your a$$ and volunteer for some activity in a school. If you thing things have gone to hell in a handbasket it's partly your fault for letting it happen. Sitting in front of a computer b*tchin' about it solves nothing. It's just another part of the "feel-good" society. It makes you feel good when you are b*tchin' 'bout it. |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! |
/MOD HAT OFF No, sir. As I constantly state, it isn't about that. YOU conveyed upon ME the condemnation by bringing the conservative argument into it, accusing me of a non-self sustaining argument:
IGNORANCE is a lack of knowledge, not a statement of foolish interpretation. By proxy, you called me unintelligent concerning the subject, to which I replied in a way that clearly identified my prowess in the ability to converse with these identifiers and parameters. I am not sure where you live, and that is none of my business, but if parents are reversing trends then please thank them for voting conservative. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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So you don't recognize that you assign traits to an amorphous entity called "liberals" and another amorphous entity called “we”?
Well “we” (the royal we) don’t do that crap. You must be referring to you. And I have yet to see a flock of liberals flapping around ruining everything. So you have to get more specific and identify exactly who the person or persons are that are screwing everything up. If you think this particular little league is run by liberals then name them and cite their credentials. Otherwise you are just assign labels. Name calling if you will. |
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Pardon me as I get back to my real job of assisting case workers who are trying to prevent children from being abused, injured, or killed by their parents or other household members. For some kids life really sucks. I use these discussions as a diversion from reality. |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! |
Agreed.
It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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I've had to make that decision once ... a daughter that attended private school through 6th grade, then entered a public school after we moved. Because of her level of private schooling, the new school wanted to leap-frog her a year, skipping 7th grade. For a number of reasons, we held her in the 7th though we did allow her to take several 8th grade classes (which required us to pick her up from the 7th grade school and transport her to the 8th-9th grade school on a daily basis). We made that decision because we had moved, she needed to make new friends of her own age, and we did not feel that she was emotionally ready to socialize at the higher grade level. I would suggest that there are more factors that go into answering your question that simply academic ability. I would submit that other considerations besides ability enter into whatever decision(s) the parents choose to make in the case of this boy. None of us appear to know what access is available to an older, more advanced league, what the travel time might be to participate, whether age brackets might be waived to allow him to participate, or whether making such a transition might be disruptive to his social development ... Most important in this case, in my view, is what the kid wants, not what the adults want. For my kids, being with their friends and peers was part of what made organized sport enjoyable and was a significant part of their decisions along the way to participate. Absent that, they would not have joined. This message has been edited. Last edited by: I_M_Qwerty, |
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great points IM as far as stradling both sides to the benefit of your child
continuing that thought i spoke in my previous post about my nephew and how he was able to play for different kinds of teams some overlapping some not and it was great for him because he played with kids his own age -that he was always gonna play with at school in interscholastic competition and he played with older kids and kids from different parts of our city and state that he would definatly play with or against at one point or another. what other baseball orgs exsist besides your regular Little league? |
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Neither of my kids (both girls) played baseball so I'm not sure how many different leagues exist in our little city ... though I do know there is a church league or so. My youngest, the only one that went to school here, was involved with a youth soccer league and a private martial arts (Tae-Dwon-Do) team. Both served her well ... she's a junior in college ROTC and spent part of the summer getting Airborne qualified at Ft Benning. Proud as a peacock of her jump wings. |
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Disruptive Posting 30 day Warning 5 Feb 09 MD |
I would say that baseball is different enough from school that it's sorta like 'apples and oranges'. One thing people seem to be forgetting in this issue is that this is a physical game and from the pictures Jerico seems to be on the small side for his age group. Is it possible that having Jerico play with children older (and bigger) than him could be a 'danger' to him (Jerico)? Baseball is more than pitching. Remember, Jerico has to get up there and bat and run the bases as well. What about his safety? Contact playes with other 9 year olds is one thing, but contact plays with a smaller 9 y/o player vs a larger 11 yo old could end up bad. Just a bit of food for though. Also, I've seen posters claim having him forboden from pitching in this league if for multiple reasons. Any where from 'for his (Jerico's) safety to the safety of other players to beaing "fair". I would like to know which is it? I understand it can be more than one, but if some say he's forbidden to play for his own safety (he might hurt himself pitching that hard) then these same people can not say it would be OK for him to pitch at a higher level. If he can hurt his arm pitching to other 9 y/o then he can hurt himself pitching to 11 y/o too. So anyone who has argued both side stated above would appear to be nothing more than a troll looking for an e-fight. And, as stated by many otehr posters, Jerico isn't the only player on the team. My local Litle League that my kids are in have rules about how much each child can pitch. My local league has a 3 inning max and games are 6 innings. So, Jerico is more than likely not even pitching full games. So, is it really that unfair to other kids to bat against Jerico for 3innings at a time? And of course it has also been mentioned (but not refuted) that Jerico played Short Stop for an entire game and his team still won. Would anyone who is pro-banning of Jerico from his age bracket care to comment on this as part of it not being fair to the otehr teams? On a side not, when my son was at this same age playing, one of the other teams had a kid that could pitch fairly fast for his age. The first time they played almost every kid on my sons team (including my son) was scared to bat. They were affraid of being hit. Our teams solution to this problem? We took the team to the batting cages and stepped them up to faster pitching. By the time my sons team faced that pitcher again they were all hitting at the 60-65 MPH cages and were doing pretty good at it. End of story...my sons team crushed the otehr team because their 'star' pitcher was no longer "un-hitable". So, with hard work and practice the other teams could hit off Jerico when he is pitching. |
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