I am considering joining the Navy Seabees and curious about a sub-divion job in the lot of pulling Security for the Seabees who are doing construction (like guardian angels purhaps). Does anyone know about a position like that in the Seabees? Any help would be much appreciated.

-Andrew

if you want to be a sniper, it might be a better bet to go usmc force recon. I don't know anybody who has been selected for GA, there are a couple of other threads on here that mention it, but we are talking about such a small percentage of 'bees, that the likelihood of you getting assigned to it is very small. not to mention that the NCF is primarily focused on construction, and our battalions are not all deployed to hostile areas. basically, unless your primary interest is doing construction, joining on the off-chance that maybe someday you might have an opportunity to be a sniper is not going to turn out well.

another consideration is that seldom do you get to do what you want in battalion; they put you where they need you, especially as a junior troop. I was really looking forward to being on a romania det this deployment, but i was chosen for CSE.

if you want to be a Seabee, then by all means do it, but don't have an expectation that you will do anything other than build (although i'm not a good example because i'm on convoy security, that was by chance).

Seabees like any other branch are what you make of it. All I have done in my years is security and weapons/tactics type stuff in batallion. I went to SMI school, which I am not sure is still around. But in teh 2 deployments to Iraq, I was either project security or convoy security. The thign is, alot of 'bees concentrate so much on the construction aspect, that they forget that you need security first. Show your batallion that you want to take the lead on something of this nature, and train, train, train. I rarely work in my EO rate, but have volunteered for all the squad leader courses, and tactics classes. You dont say if you are reserve or active. Active may be a little harder I dont know. But if tht ais what you want to do, talk to your command, and take the bull by the horns.
Good luck,
EOC E

Andrew,

SEABEES were implemented for one reason that is to build and defend what they build. SEABEES are not designed nor outfitted to be snipers, urban warfare or various other combat related outfits. Just like Hrolsen has stated SEABEES are builders and defenders of what they built.

There was an admiral a few years ago that has changed the way SEABEES do business most likely forever and us older CB's regret what he has done to our origin and our future.

The SEABEES were and are a good outfit... Just like the EOC stated: it truely is what you make of it. CAN DO!

I am responding to the post only to express that at least with my son, there has been way to much time to sit around and think. I really appreciate what the EOC said about it is what you make of it. Unfortunatley for him he has not made the best of it.

I have been reading and occassionally reply to this blog since he joined, almost a year and a half ago. Most of the comments are very positive and I understand that most are intended to encourage.

I do think it is reasonable to consider that it is not for everyone. I would say if you are willing to look for things to do to advance and improve yourself in the Navy not just the Seabees it is a good thing for you. However, if you are not self-motivated. I think you might find it a struggle. Between deployments, there is an awful lot of time spent doing little or nothing.

I am not trying to be discouraging and I hope it is not taken that way. But the reality is that the Navy and or the Seabees is not for everyone.

Respectfully,

JW

JW,

your posted comments are very true, the navy and the SEABEES are not for everyone or the ARMY or the Marines or Air Force or the Coast Guard...etc

What the EOC said applies to every aspect of each of our lives no matter where we are or what we are doing or who we are with! What you make of it is old as the hills, right!

What is your son doing is he a SEABEE or other navy member? Is he in trouble or heading in that direction?

He is a Seabee, UTCA. He is going before a disciplinary review board today. He has never been in trouble in his life until now.

JW

Hey rolsen, did you just get back last fall? Were you CSE in Iraq? Were you on Concrete or Chisel?

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Originally posted by jonhhyw:
He is a Seabee, UTCA. He is going before a disciplinary review board today. He has never been in trouble in his life until now.

JW

How bad is it? missing morning quarters, UA issues or worse?
There are times when seeing the trouble through will actualy right a wrong.

I understand I was accused of hitting a senior enlisted (a BUCS) after evening muster for duty. It went all the way to captains mast before 2 eye witness's stepped forward and corrected my reputation, however if that didn't happen when it happened (alleged incident)I was a real FTN guy with a terrible attitude. The intervention worked for me and hopefully it will work for your son.

I would rather not go into it on the web.

I will say the methods being used I assume to motivate are not helping and are creating an enviroment of hostility and anger.

Leadership and motivation are an art. Dwight Eisenhower said, "Leadership is the art of getting someone else to do something you want done because he wants to do it". And motivation is, "the art of getting people to do what you want them to do because they want to do it".

This type of leadership is accomplished by both inspiring and encouraging people. This makes them want to follow you.

It cannot be done through attempts of coercion, intimidation and humiliation.

JW

JW,

If you want someone to chat with I believe my email is on my profile. I know what you are saying with respect to the Navy SEABEES outdated choice/method of leadership/ discipline which leads to coercion, intimidation and humiliation. I still have quite a few brothers-in-arms actively serving and I keep in very close contact.

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Originally posted by 14846498:
I am considering joining the Navy Seabees and curious about a sub-divion job in the lot of pulling Security for the Seabees who are doing construction (like guardian angels purhaps). Does anyone know about a position like that in the Seabees? Any help would be much appreciated.

-Andrew

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OK BRO IM GLAD YOU WANT TO BE A SEABEE BUT TO GET A JOB IN THE SEABEES AS SECURITY....WELL
LETS JUST SAY WE DONT HAVE SECURITY BECAUSE WE ARE SECURITY...HENSE OUR MOTTO WE BUILD WE FIGHT AND WE KILL HOORAH....WE ARE BASICALLY THE NAVY'S FILTERED VERSION OF THE MARINES ACCEPT WE ARE NOT JUST SO CALLED "COMBAT ENGINIERS"AS THE MARINES CALL IT WE ARE SKILL AND HIGHLY TRAINED CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WE HAVE 7 BASIC RATES WITCH IS JOB FOR NAVY TERMS
WE ALL LEARN COMBAT SKILLS ADOPTED BY THE MARINE CORE HOWEVER YOU INQUIRED ABOUT SECURITY
WE DO HAVE CST (CONVOY SECURITY) THAT CAN BE A RUSH DEPENDING WHAT THEATRE YOU GO TO "GEOGRAPHICAL REGION OF WAR" YOU WOULD HAVE TO FILL OUT A DREAM SHEET AFTER BASIC AND 'A'SCHOOL ....I WOULD REQUEST SOMEWHERE THAT **** IS HITTING THE FAN THE REQUEST ANY SPECIAL GROUPING LIKE CONVOY SECURITY FORCES..
THE SEABEES ARE SELF SUSTAINING WE CAN BUILD A BASE AND RUN IT OURSELVES ALONG WITH DEFENDING IT HOW EVER OUR GUARDIAN ANGELS WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED MARINES THAT WATCH OUR BACK WHILE WE BUILD....AS SOON AS **** HITS THE FAN WE DROP OUR TOOLS AND GRAB OUR GUNS....GO AHEAD AND CHECK OUT A MOVIE "THE FIGHTING SEABEES" ITS GOT JOHN WAYNE IN IT SO CHECK IT OUT AND STAY MOTIVATED....THE RECRUITER MAY TELL YOU TO WAIT 6 MONTHS TO A YR FOR AN OPENING IN THE DESIRED JOB FIELD IN THE SEABEES BUT WAIT ITS WORTH IT I WAITED 8 MONTHS FOR MY OPENING..I LOVE IT SW3FRANKLIN SIGNIING OFF

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Originally posted by 17428021:

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Originally posted by 14846498:
I am considering joining the Navy Seabees and curious about a sub-divion job in the lot of pulling Security for the Seabees who are doing construction (like guardian angels purhaps). Does anyone know about a position like that in the Seabees? Any help would be much appreciated.

-Andrew

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OK BRO IM GLAD YOU WANT TO BE A SEABEE BUT TO GET A JOB IN THE SEABEES AS SECURITY....WELL
LETS JUST SAY WE DONT HAVE SECURITY BECAUSE WE ARE SECURITY...HENSE OUR MOTTO WE BUILD WE FIGHT AND WE KILL HOORAH....WE ARE BASICALLY THE NAVY'S FILTERED VERSION OF THE MARINES ACCEPT WE ARE NOT JUST SO CALLED "COMBAT ENGINIERS"AS THE MARINES CALL IT WE ARE SKILL AND HIGHLY TRAINED CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WE HAVE 7 BASIC RATES WITCH IS JOB FOR NAVY TERMS
WE ALL LEARN COMBAT SKILLS ADOPTED BY THE MARINE CORE HOWEVER YOU INQUIRED ABOUT SECURITY
WE DO HAVE CST (CONVOY SECURITY) THAT CAN BE A RUSH DEPENDING WHAT THEATRE YOU GO TO "GEOGRAPHICAL REGION OF WAR" YOU WOULD HAVE TO FILL OUT A DREAM SHEET AFTER BASIC AND 'A'SCHOOL ....I WOULD REQUEST SOMEWHERE THAT **** IS HITTING THE FAN THE REQUEST ANY SPECIAL GROUPING LIKE CONVOY SECURITY FORCES..
THE SEABEES ARE SELF SUSTAINING WE CAN BUILD A BASE AND RUN IT OURSELVES ALONG WITH DEFENDING IT HOW EVER OUR GUARDIAN ANGELS WOULD PROBABLY BE CONSIDERED MARINES THAT WATCH OUR BACK WHILE WE BUILD....AS SOON AS **** HITS THE FAN WE DROP OUR TOOLS AND GRAB OUR GUNS....GO AHEAD AND CHECK OUT A MOVIE "THE FIGHTING SEABEES" ITS GOT JOHN WAYNE IN IT SO CHECK IT OUT AND STAY MOTIVATED....THE RECRUITER MAY TELL YOU TO WAIT 6 MONTHS TO A YR FOR AN OPENING IN THE DESIRED JOB FIELD IN THE SEABEES BUT WAIT ITS WORTH IT I WAITED 8 MONTHS FOR MY OPENING..I LOVE IT SW3FRANKLIN SIGNIING OFF

Three things to say positive information, lay off the caps (means your screaming) and try spell check before you post!

Okay the Seabees have a company and it is called “S” company and it stands for what you are looking for. In Nam MCN-5 had one hell of an “S” company. AS Far as I know that it is still SOP in war. Seabee security in MCB-5 went on recon, patrolled the village and had gate and convoy security. You may want to write to the SEABEE port in California. One thing I will tell you Seabees are mustangs. They are man that are close and work their *** off. If you like slack join anything else but the bees. They push hard and while everyone else is waiting for the war to start they are doing bridges, bunker, air-strips, and roads and clearing the bush. War, Nam was not like full metal jacket. You may be busy up a pole, making an ammo dump, dock what have you and then all hell breaks loose. It is what it is and the bees are the “Fighting Seabees”. I am very proud to be part of the unit that did not back down to anyone or anything. Don’t worry you’ll be fine I was the means bastard there was in Nam and when I left I had a lot of friends. A chief petty officer even kept me from captain’s mass because you see I really was a Seabee and the ensign in question was wrong. I love earth moving equipment and the ruff housing that went on. I for one will never trade MCB-5 memories for anything; Of course just thought of a couple of things. One navy guy attach to us shot his toe because he could not hack it and another threaten me with his senator back home. Hell some of my buds even went rabbit shooting on our parade grinder in port and one bud got killed race down this country road. Note my group was crazy we fought with each other but tight in war we were brothers. The women you met will spoil you and for the most part you want to bring them home to meet mama. Don’t after a while they are just player and the fun continues. That was my take some time with Security Company and some time with Alpha Company. Now you know what war is like form a teenager’s point of view. I leave you with my Motto and you can see it on my home page. Do something great “Live like you were dying”

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Originally posted by cbread68:
Andrew,

SEABEES were implemented for one reason that is to build and defend what they build. SEABEES are not designed nor outfitted to be snipers, urban warfare or various other combat related outfits. Just like Hrolsen has stated SEABEES are builders and defenders of what they built.

There was an admiral a few years ago that has changed the way SEABEES do business most likely forever and us older CB's regret what he has done to our origin and our future.

The SEABEES were and are a good outfit... Just like the EOC stated: it truely is what you make of it. CAN DO!

A buddy of mine said awhile back the the Navy hired him to build. The saying was "We Build, We fight" now-a-days, it seems like the motto should be: We fight and if can get to it we'll build something.