Can we say "Holy Heck"

http://www.military.com/news/a...ml?col=1186032320397

Whats scary is some of the statements made, like this,

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After a technical review, the Navy determined the welds in question on the Toledo were "deemed acceptable with no further action required," a Navy spokeswoman said.

"Deemed acceptable" is something that makes me think twice.

Here's another one for the stupid answers category on Jeopardy from that article.

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Maintaining an airtight pressure hull is critical to ensuring the safety of submarines.

Ya think maybe so!!

Remember water in the people tank is very, very bad.

Yes, this is very bad. I have never heard of cracks in a sub hull before. I wonder how this happened? Defective steel? Boat not drydocked properly? I hope the Navy does a good investigation.

great thats suppose to make me feel better about going SECF. just kidding i hope they find out the root of the problem. it also sounds like people dont take pride in their job of are just lazy. how do these people get in the armed forces?

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Originally posted by twaggoner86:
great thats suppose to make me feel better about going SECF. just kidding i hope they find out the root of the problem. it also sounds like people dont take pride in their job of are just lazy. how do these people get in the armed forces?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Who does the article state found the cracks?

Try going up to the sub and make the "stupid" comments to their face.

BoatsBM1

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Originally posted by dbil:
Yes, this is very bad. I have never heard of cracks in a sub hull before. I wonder how this happened? Defective steel? Boat not drydocked properly? I hope the Navy does a good investigation.

Read the article carefully... in particular
"21-inch-long crack in the exterior topside hull under the sail and a corresponding 1-inch crack in the pressure hull underneath"

and more important " developing a plan to replace the affected casting"

You do the 'math'.

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Originally posted by twaggoner86:
great thats suppose to make me feel better about going SECF. just kidding i hope they find out the root of the problem. it also sounds like people dont take pride in their job of are just lazy. how do these people get in the armed forces?

First of kiddo you are WAAAAY too nubly to be shooting off your mouth about ANYTHING related to submarines. Second off, as BM1 pointed out you need to READ properly first before shooting off your mouth. Thirdly, things happen. Nobody knows the root cause, but the good news is that it was caught.

My advice to you son, is you observe more, learn more, talk less. Or go be a target sailor.

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Originally posted by ErikBloodaxe:

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Originally posted by dbil:
Yes, this is very bad. I have never heard of cracks in a sub hull before. I wonder how this happened? Defective steel? Boat not drydocked properly? I hope the Navy does a good investigation.

Read the article carefully... in particular
"21-inch-long crack in the exterior topside hull under the sail and a corresponding 1-inch crack in the pressure hull underneath"

and more important " developing a plan to replace the affected casting"

You do the 'math'.

I guess my point was you need to root casue the problem before fixing it to make sure it doesn't happen again. (if possible to root cause).

I wonder if it would be worth to replace a whole casting (has this ever been done before?) from a money standpoint. I guess you could do another sub transplant. We got plenty sitting in Bremerton waiting to be scrapped. it will be interesting to see what the Navy does.

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Originally posted by ErikBloodaxe:
observe more, learn more, talk less. Or go be a target sailor.

HAHAHAHA!!!!... Excellent point Erik…

I’m just glad as the others have said that it was discovered in time, before it led to a catastrophic pressure hull failure. The loss of the Thresher and Scorpion in 63 and 68 respectively are incidents that do not need to be repeated. It just brings home that fact that “Submarineing” will always be a avocation that sets itself above the rest of the Navy. That being that part of the Navy that wears all those pretentious “POGUE” target/ride badges… Ever notice those SW and AW badges are just a little bigger than Dolphins???... Go Figure...

Is the "Subsafe" program still in exsistance, or has "modern technology" rendered it obsolete???
Losing a boat and its crew to anything less than combat is totally #@$%ED UP!

I remember talking to the tiger team welders when we did a ERP, and I had no doubt that they had their chit in one sock, and cared about what they were doing.

Cracks in castings is nothing new, but it could cost many $$$ to repair....my 2 pesos....

Cracks in castings might not be anything new but a 21" crack in a submarine pressure hull ain't supposed to happen. That violates rule #2 -- keep the water out of the people tank. Rule #1 is ensure that the number of surfaces to submergences maintain a 1:1 ratio.

Once again, I salute all you steel-balled SOB's who go down in those death traps. Just the thought of a crack in the can I'm riding in, makes my skin crawl.

Well, as mentioned, cracks in the pressure hull, are not the norm. And, as stated, the crew found it.

I don't have any experience with the Newport News facility, but I'm sure they did their jobs.(as stated, the cracs ARE NOT on welds)

As for replacing the casting. Well, I wouldn't think it would be much of a big deal at all, considering that shipyards usually cut numerous holes in the pressure hull while doing a rehaul. (while in Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, my boat had 21 hull cuts if I remember correctly) And at the end, they put them all back together, tight as a drum. (with hull weld X-rays to back everything up)

I just hope they figure out what actually caused the cracks, so that they can isolate the issue, and keep all our submariners safe. As it's been stated before, water in the people tank is BAD. Keep the bubbleheads safe.