Found this over on hot topics
"http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63825

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http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=63825

I always said if it was to happen It would be on the O-gang side first.

That said, she's not the only one, and there's a reason for that. Female sub EDO's by instruction are allowed (a specific designator is given to sub EDOs), there just are very few of them. For an EDO to complete EDO training They have to go underway for quite a long period of time and are encouraged to work on sub quals in that time period, whether a male or female.

That said, not sure how as a DR how she pulled an excuse to go to sea on the sub.

Figured I'de post the article before it goes away..

YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — A sailor once asked Lt. Cmdr. Marilisa Elrod where she got the twin dolphins sewn below the U.S. Navy lettering on her uniform. She could understand the sailor’s confusion — he had probably never seen the insignia on a woman before.

"I said I borrowed them from my husband ... just to tease him," said Elrod, a doctor and undersea medical officer based in Hawaii.

Then she explained how she studied for more than a year and passed her qualification test aboard the USS Key West before earning the distinction of being a submarine-qualified sailor.

To a submariner, those dolphins mean that the sailor wearing them knows enough about every function of the boat to save it in an emergency.

Elrod is one of 12 submarine-qualified women in the Navy, officials said.

As a medical officer, she has had the opportunity to ride on several vessels. However, crews stationed aboard submarines remain all male in the U.S. Navy.

"I think in the beginning it would be difficult from a logistics standpoint, but I don’t see any reason why women would not be well-suited to be on subs," Elrod said.

Australia, Canada, Spain and Norway all allow women to serve on submarines, though their deployments tend to be shorter than those aboard U.S. nuclear-powered subs.

Some U.S. sailors say having women serve aboard subs would hurt unit cohesion. Others say sailors would adapt.

"You’ll hear all sorts of arguments against it, some medical ... some similar to the arguments you hear against having homosexuals serving in small units," said Petty Officer 1st Class Jim Grisham, an electronics technician serving aboard the USS Seawolf. "Nothing credible, in my opinion, and little that the surface Navy and the other armed forces haven’t learned to deal with."

Female U.S. Naval Academy students have come aboard the Seawolf and other submarines for years as part of their summer training.

While aboard submarines, Elrod has shared an officer’s stateroom.

If women were allowed to serve permanently aboard subs, they would need designated spaces that aren’t available on today’s boats, said Submarine Group Seven spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Greg ****z.

"It’s the space and the design itself that makes it very difficult at this time, but it’s not that we aren’t constantly reviewing [the idea]," ****z said. "The big question we continually ask ourselves is, ‘How could we make this work?’ "

Studies on retrofitting existing submarines to accommodate female berthing have shown that doing so would be prohibitively expensive, ****z said.

Submarines are already packed tightly with equipment; the few spaces that aren’t, like the chief petty officer’s lounge, aren’t likely to be given away to enlisted sailors of any gender, ****z said.

Meanwhile, rack space is precious; the lack of bedding requires some enlisted sailors to "hot rack," meaning that three sailors share two racks while working different shifts.

Nonetheless, some sailors think it could be done if women are willing to put up with the same near-absence of privacy as men. For example, an extra curtain could cordon off a women’s bunk area in the existing berths.

In Elrod’s case, a sign hung on the door of the head, or bathroom, when she was using it. Certain times could be designated as women only, as they are for shower trailers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Undiagnosed pregnancies before deployment could interrupt missions, detractors say. However, there are protocols for evacuating sailors with medical emergencies.

Submarine medics would also need to keep women’s health issues in mind; for example, abdominal pain can be harder to diagnose in women, Elrod said.

"There are definitely some things that would need to be worked out and some instructions would need to be written, medically speaking," she said.

Other than the logistics, the biggest change would have to occur among attitudes. A large group of men in their 20s and 30s, living in very close quarters, tend to produce a lot of off-color humor.

"There’s a sort of fraternity culture on board that would have to evolve, but if destroyers and the space station can be sex-integrated, then so can submarines," Grisham said.

****z, who is submarine qualified, said that successful submariners of any gender tend to be shaped by the existing culture more than they change it themselves.

Petty Officer 2nd Class Seth Powers, 29, said that even most sailors who think it’s a bad idea wouldn’t have much choice but to do their jobs.

"It would probably work out," Powers said. "I don’t see it being impossible. … People would just get used to it."

I think we just go with the concept presented in Space Troopers, just co-ed everything and don't worry about segregating.

Riders. Non-Crew.

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Originally posted by Biscuits808:
Riders. Non-Crew.

Good Call Sergeant!!!, although our first Gold Crew Duty Doc did qualify as a diving officer, but the second one refused to qualify on the Dive. Then they pretty much cancelled the SSBN MD program…

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Australia, Canada, Spain and Norway all allow women to serve on submarines,

Right Gerry, all three counties are about as relevant in the world of Submarining as a banana republic wanting to launch a man to the moon mission…

Just compare the following:

Australia, Canada, Spain and Norway wartime shipping tonnage sunk??? = ZERO…

U.S. Submarine wartime tonnage sunk to date (WWII) = 5,320,094 tons (various sources differ) but this is pretty close..

Although the Nuclear Submarine Force as in the U.S.S. Greenville (SSN 772) should get some credit… at least for Ammo Conservation

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HUUMM I am a bit confused here. It says she took a "test" after studying after a year. I do not see where she actually qualified any watch stations either inport or underway. She is a Doctor that was never part of any real crew from what I can understand from the news story.

I guess things have changed since I was a young squidly NUB.

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Originally posted by GerryRM3:
Australia, Canada, Spain and Norway all allow women to serve on submarines,

Whoa big fella. All I posted was an article I found. Argue with the guy what wrote it.

Submariners sure are a touchy bunch.

Yeah, we are a touchy bunch. Especially after I thought we beat this topic to a pulp back in 2002.