Why we call them Targets!!! Guess the VDS wasn't working too well.

When a submarine runs into a deployed sonar array one has to wonder.

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When a submarine runs into a deployed sonar array one has to wonder.

So .... when the sub does the 'running into', some how that is the 'targets' fault.

I guess a sub 'running into' an underwater mountain is some how the mountains fault???

Or a sub surfacing under a fishing boat, is some how the fishing boats fault???

Well they should have heard it coming. As for the USS Greenville incident GRRRRRRRRRRRR that was the CO's fault. Except the way he tells it everyone in his crew was a fault except him.

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Well they should have heard it coming.

Who is they?....The sub?

If our subs so quiet and how do you expect the 'target' to "hear it"?

Our surface ship should have heard the chinese boat.

Since none of us were there and none of us are privy to what happened in the respective sonar rooms I don't think we're going to find out exactly what happened for quite a while.
My theory is the ship was making a turn and since that tail was out a mile the sub had no idea they were crossing the path of it. The ship makes noise, the tail doesn't.

I am just suprised they did not hear them being that close. I thought the VDS isnt affected by a turn since it is submerged. But I can be mistaken about such things.

OK what the H*LL is going on. Why did Military.com sign me on under this name? I am the grumpy old submarine troll not this name. Grumble grumble

OK how did I wind up hijacking someone elses profile name? That was way too wierd.

Damned if I know how that happened but we've seen that on occasion.

Now for that sonar tail. Stands to reason the ship, or sub for that matter, when streaming the tail in a turn would have a curve in the cable. They arn't stiff like a board but flexible to a point.
Given that the tail end of a cable a mile long in a turn could be quite a way from the ships base course. Since I was never involved with one of the things I don't know for sure.

I just figured you were making a comment about MILFs... who knew?

I am too old for a MILF I go for the GILFs

On the contrary, one is never "too old" for MILFs or PYTs. Heff is but one example of many.

Oh I know several Grannies in their 40's that are very hot.

mpwimmer: I know I'm new here, but...

I served on the Greeneville during the Ehime Maru incident, and sincerely hope you were not referring to that CO...

Did you know an ST named Eric Gross? I served with him on the USS Honolulu.

As for that particular CO I saw an interview with him on the History channel a while back. He refuses to take any responsibilty for that incident. He was blaming everyone but himself. That tends to get me grumpier than usual.

Hmmm... as an A-ganger I tried to stay out of the sonar shack. When did Gross leave the Greeneville? I was there from 98-01.

I did not realize that there was ever an interview conducted and televised. I will have to look that up (it's been years since I've had a good lookup). After working with that CO for two years, I have to say that he was one of the nicest people I had worked for (hence my defensive position). I do know that the Navy was not very keen on letting him make public statements.

Is it possible that the interview was "edited for content"?

It sure did not look like it. I forget the name of the program. And I am not sure when he left. I think he had made chief by then. I knew him from the early 90's on the USS Honolulu.

Plus just after the accident on the SUBPAC website they had the transcripts from the Admrial's mast.

Things happen, that often times evade understanding.

As for towed arrays. Being an ST, I dealt with them often. While I don't know too much about the towed arrays that the surface fleet uses, I'd imagine they're just as long as a TB23 or TB29. (really friggin long) And while yes, the ship itself makes noise, the towed arrays do not. (save a small amount of flow noise, only detectable by the towed array itself) This is not the first time the navy has lost a towed array. (they've been lost to practice torpedos as well).

The Greenville was a horrible accident. (though I wonder why "school teachers" were on a fishing boat. Curious.

And as for subs running into undersea mountains. Well, this is what I have to say about that. It's extremely unfortunate. But, if you think, for one minute, that the Navy, as "perfect" charts, depicting "every" little minute change in undersea topogrophy, then you're horribly mistaken.

While on the USS Providence (ssn-719), durring my first deployment, we came across an "UNCHARTED" sea mount, just outside the straights of Hormuz, on the Indian ocean side. I know this, because after working our way to within 1 fathom of a yellow sounding, it dropped back off. (it was very short and steep).

At this point, I was called to the fathometer to work with the Nav ET's to chart this sea mount. (our charts, and rolls from the fathometers, were turned in when we hit port next, so that the information collected, could be worked into future charts.

My point is this, there are a lot of boats that have sailed in and out of the Straights of Hormuz, and still, an uncharted sea mount was found in the viscinity.

The Ehime Maru was a Japanese Fishery training ship. That's why they had "school teachers" on board. It was used to teach High School students how to become fishermen. Considering that deep sea commercial fishing is one of the most dangerous professions out there, giving prospective fishermen training before hand is probably a good thing.