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Saw this on af.mil:
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080627-f-0558k-901.jpg

Berets I understand, but are baseball caps authorized on the ABU's now or are the Academy cadets just a bunch of special snowflakes? I'm going to guess the latter, but personally, I think it looks stupid.
 
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Saw this on af.mil:
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080627-f-0558k-901.jpg

Berets I understand, but are baseball caps authorized on the ABU's now or are the Academy cadets just a bunch of special snowflakes? I'm going to guess the latter, but personally, I think it looks stupid.


You know it's because they are special snowflakes. Just like the doofs that have been hanging around my unit wearing flight suits and thinking that they out rank every enlisted person there. Just remember, those little dweebs will be our leaders
 
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I could be crazy - but I think some other group was authorized ballcaps. Red Horse Squadrons maybe?

Or I could be waaay off.

Personally, I like the unit specific stuff - patches and caps.
 
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I could be crazy - but I think some other group was authorized ballcaps. Red Horse Squadrons maybe?

Or I could be waaay off.

Personally, I like the unit specific stuff - patches and caps.


You are correct BillyBob, Red Horse was granted an exception to wear their hats with ABU's. Of course this is only going to lead to more exceptions until we are all wearing squadron hats again.
 
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You are correct BillyBob, Red Horse was granted an exception to wear their hats with ABU's. Of course this is only going to lead to more exceptions until we are all wearing squadron hats again.

And don't forget the ETP for some to wear black boots again. I'm sure they'll need to be highly polished.

My guess is that with more people wearing ABUs, those that didn't really have a place in the Air Force other than making 36-2903 corrections to those in BDUs have realized that they are out of a job with the idea behind the ABU. My wife has even been told that she needs to iron her ABUs.

I hate the uniform, but the one thing it had going for it was the extremely low maintenance that would take away something from those that did nothing more than "look sharp" and actually let supervision concentrate on the production from their troops. It seems that it's not going to happen.


"Enlisted men are stupid, but very cunning and deceitful and bear considerable watching," 1894 Officers’ Manual
 
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My wife has even been told that she needs to iron her ABUs.

I hate the uniform, but the one thing it had going for it was the extremely low maintenance that would take away something from those that did nothing more than "look sharp" and actually let supervision concentrate on the production from their troops. It seems that it's not going to happen.


That is sad Frank. Luckily, no one here has said that crap about ironing the ABU. I am dreading 2011 coming and having to replace my BDU's finally.
 
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my $0.02 is that I think the baseball caps look like stomped dog$h!t with ABU's, but hey, what do I know? I'll start wearing ABU's when they come up with a lighter, cooler version. Until then, I'll stick with my BDU's even though I hate to iron. Mad
 
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my $0.02 is that I think the baseball caps look like stomped dog$h!t with ABU's, but hey, what do I know? I'll start wearing ABU's when they come up with a lighter, cooler version. Until then, I'll stick with my BDU's even though I hate to iron. Mad


In my opinion, they look like stomped dog crap in BDUs, too.

However, being in tech school on an army post where they're not authorized, I haven't really been exposed to seeing it very often.
 
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Saw this on af.mil:
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080627-f-0558k-901.jpg

Berets I understand, but are baseball caps authorized on the ABU's now or are the Academy cadets just a bunch of special snowflakes? I'm going to guess the latter, but personally, I think it looks stupid.


Yes, they are "special snowflakes" called Doolies, wearing baseball caps to distinguish themselves from upper-classmen in the berets, who are about to train them for several weeks right after they take that oath. This probably lessens the confusion in such a big training environment.
 
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are the Academy cadets just a bunch of special snowflakes?


Yes they are. Initially they were going to go with the Burger King gold crowns. But after further review, they thought it might send the wrong message.
 
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Saw this on af.mil:
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/080627-f-0558k-901.jpg

Berets I understand, but are baseball caps authorized on the ABU's now or are the Academy cadets just a bunch of special snowflakes? I'm going to guess the latter, but personally, I think it looks stupid.


Yes, they are "special snowflakes" called Doolies, wearing baseball caps to distinguish themselves from upper-classmen in the berets, who are about to train them for several weeks right after they take that oath. This probably lessens the confusion in such a big training environment.


Not to change topics - but do cadets have to cadets have to conform to 36-2903? We've hosted a couple of groups here the last few months and both groups look liked dogpoo. Hair WAY out of regs type of things. It's made a few of us wonder the same thing - are they held to the standards in 36-2903?
 
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Back when my husband was a SQ/CC the WG/CC authorized baseball UNIT-specific caps could be worn with BDUs, though I don't remember seeing anybody in a flight suit wearing one, hubby only wore a cap when in BDUs.
 
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Back when my husband was a SQ/CC the WG/CC authorized baseball UNIT-specific caps could be worn with BDUs, though I don't remember seeing anybody in a flight suit wearing one, hubby only wore a cap when in BDUs.
Unit specific caps were common when we wore fatigues. No unit I was ever assigned to had them though, so I wore the OD baseball cap. Must say they look a little goofy with those ABUs. Maybe it grows on you.
 
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Back when my husband was a SQ/CC the WG/CC authorized baseball UNIT-specific caps could be worn with BDUs, though


What other kind of baseball caps are there?
 
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Back when my husband was a SQ/CC the WG/CC authorized baseball UNIT-specific caps could be worn with BDUs, though


What other kind of baseball caps are there?


You know, like the one you wear that says RETARD.
 
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Back when my husband was a SQ/CC the WG/CC authorized baseball UNIT-specific caps could be worn with BDUs, though


What other kind of baseball caps are there?


You know, like the one you wear that says RETARD.


Nah. He traded that one in on the one that says "Levitow winner".
 
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vsi...play nice!

Not everybody who rides the special bus wears a hat you know.
 
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Back when my husband was a SQ/CC the WG/CC authorized baseball UNIT-specific caps could be worn with BDUs, though I don't remember seeing anybody in a flight suit wearing one, hubby only wore a cap when in BDUs.


The balls caps weren't authorized with flight suits. Authorized covers for the flighsuit are berets or flight caps. Ball caps haven't been authorized for ABUs yet as far as 2903 is concerned. Next thing you know I will be starching and ironing it. Curse
 
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I could be crazy - but I think some other group was authorized ballcaps. Red Horse Squadrons maybe?


I agree with the reason for the red hat. It is a long standing form of recognition that should be allowed to continue.

Here is the word from BG Byers:

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The initial RED HORSE Troopers wore the then BDU headgear in Vietnam. However, because of the outstanding performance of these new direct combat support units that became primary elements of USAF combat capabilities, it was determined by Brig. Gen Archie Mayes, Strategic
Airlift Command Civil Engineer, and Brig. Gen Tom Meredith, then Tactical Air Command Civil Engineer, that special recognition and identification of RED HORSE Troopers was necessary due to the times, places and special efforts of these troopers, especially while
performing emergency contingency operations and/or under emergency conditions. The only exception was the wearing of the combat helmet
where conditions dictated for personal safety needs. In recognition of these requirements, the RED HAT, either cloth or construction hardhat, was established as the headgear for all RED HORSE Troopers in 1972 and has remained in effect ever since.

It is comforting to know that leadership still feels the same way about the RED hat as we transition in to our new Airman Battle Uniform. The hard work and pride that is displayed each and every day by all of the RED HORSE members does not go unnoticed and I want to thank you for your efforts.

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I agree with keeping our heritage, but the uniform board did not allow the SERE career field to continue to wear the Arch on there ABU's and then make an exception for Red Horse to wear there baseball cap. I think that is a bunch of crap. If you are going to allow one career field to carry on there heritage, then you should allow all units to. I personaly think heritage is more important than any stupid new uniform. The BDUs were just fine. The ABU is ok, but not as practical a good broken in ABU or DCU.
 
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