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Hello all,

To make a long story short, I am highly interested in entering the Air Force career field of Emergency Management [3E9X1]... not just as a short jaunt in the service, but as a career for life. So I have come here today looking for an Airman in that field to correspond with so that I can get an idea of some of the "trade-secrets" that can only be gained through actual experience in any field.

I was wondering if anyone here would happen to be an Emergency Management Airman or would happen to know one I can contact? Thank you.
 
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As a CE guy and friends with a couple readiness folks,opps sorry EM. anyways its all about Chem warfare training, Prime Beef which is getting deployment requirements ready to go, and basically alot of stuff that FEMA and your state, local EM'ers deal with. Good careerfield.
 
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Hello PowerProRanger01,

Thank you for your reply. I was starting to wonder if I had crossed a boundary by posting this thread here.

Any who, I was wondering if I could ask a few questions here? I realize that you're in the parent job-field of CE and not a Readiness--err---Emergency Management Airman, but I would still like to draw from your knowledge if possible. Thank you.

[1] Would it be too forward of me to call an Air Force Base in my state and try to find an Airman in the Emergency Management field to interview?

[2] What is the average day for an EM Airman like?Is it more office work, Power-Point Presentations and Meetings or CRBNE scenario training?

[3] As opposed to Fire Protection and EOD, what is the mission of Emergency Management in a CRBNE scenario?

[4] Are there conflicts of interest or operational style between Emergency Management, Fire Protection and EOD?

[5] What is the current state of the EM field? Where do you see it going in the near future?

[6] Is there ample time to complete a degree while performing your duties as an EM Airman?

[7] What are the highlights of being an EM Airman? What are your dislikes of the career field?

[8] Is Air Force health care as horrible as I hear some Airmen describe it as?

Once again, thank you.
 
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1.) It may be. Really just depends on who you talk to. I'd imagine they may be suspicious though.

2.)office work, training the base populace and meetings si the typical day to day job.

3.) They test for it and clean it up. They also write up the plans for it and work directly with the base commander in CBRNE scenarios, helping the commander direct air force and civilian resources in the best manner possible.

4.) Not really. Three different jobs. Fire protection deals with fire, EOD deals with blowing stuff up and Emergency management deals with cleaning up and detecting checmical threats. During your typical emergency they won't respond, only in massive emergencies like massive flooding and whatnot would they respond to. Think of it like FEMA.

5.) They basically encompass the FEMA role for the air force. I see it doing the same thing it's done for the last 50 years it's been around. Emergency management and chemical warfare.

6.) Yes.

7.) I wouldn't know this unless I was in this field Razz

8.) What do you describe as horrible? It's like any other health care around the world... long wait times at the doctor's, misdiagnosing the problem... things like that are all a part of health care in america Razz


Like power pro, I'm just a part of CE, not in emergency management. I'd wait for his answers to compare our two and see what you think then.
 
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Originally posted by Gerry_Agnosia:

[1] Would it be too forward of me to call an Air Force Base in my state and try to find an Airman in the Emergency Management field to interview?

Get ahold of a recruiter otherwise if you have access to a installation as a dependant go right ahead, I'm sure if they have time they can have someone sit down with you and give you the rundown

[2] What is the average day for an EM Airman like?Is it more office work, Power-Point Presentations and Meetings or CRBNE scenario training?

yes its alot of all that you just said in a nutshell, plus other stuff like checking equipment, messing with the new and latest gadgets for upcoming deployers,etc. Armory inventory,etc

[3] As opposed to Fire Protection and EOD, what is the mission of Emergency Management in a CRBNE scenario?

In a CRBNE scenario their would be a EOC-emergency operations center that is stood up and all organizations would play a part, FD and EOD are just some of the step children of CE since mainly CE is infrastructure maintainance and repair.

[4] Are there conflicts of interest or operational style between Emergency Management, Fire Protection and EOD?

unknown, different fields and the way they do business

[5] What is the current state of the EM field? Where do you see it going in the near future?

I imagine they will run the course with FEMA working hand in hand

[6] Is there ample time to complete a degree while performing your duties as an EM Airman?

yes, like any other AFSC it will depend on how quick you finish CDC's,etc and how often your deployed,TDY and where too.

[7] What are the highlights of being an EM Airman? What are your dislikes of the career field?

A few of my buddies liked it cause you got all the nice gear first, NVG's,tactical vests,etc. But of course they look a little too high speed when the rest of us get together for excercises wearing all their kit Smile The training is good, besides it can lead to a job as a EM at the federal,state,local levels.

[8] Is Air Force health care as horrible as I hear some Airmen describe it as?

ITs like any HMO, have patience. Its not as bad as people make it out to be
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PowerProRanger01, Hobie819, you two have helped me beyond thanks. I now know more than ever that this is the career field I want to pursue. Thank you.

(But if anyone else would like to comment from knowledge or anecdotes, I welcome this, too. Smile)
 
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Originally posted by Gerry_Agnosia:

[1] Would it be too forward of me to call an Air Force Base in my state and try to find an Airman in the Emergency Management field to interview?
-it really does depend. I think that if you get with your recruiter and tell him/her that you would like to shadow someone in the career field, he/she may hook you up. Sadly we live in a day and age of deception and destruction, so just calling up an EM shop may get you nothing more than a very suspiocious person who will not divulge info over the phone. There aren't many bases where there aren't EM folks. Just get with a recruiter.

[2] What is the average day for an EM Airman like?Is it more office work, Power-Point Presentations and Meetings or CRBNE scenario training?
-that depends too. Day to day there's quite a bit of desk work, but when we get busy, it's non-stop. Our career field is a little broad and we don't just do one particular thing and nothing else. Also, he career field is going through a transformation, so what's happening right now may not be what goes on once you come in. We teach, so expect to stand up in front of people quite frequently, and don't be afraid of rank. Sometimes you may have to tell a Lt Col or higher what to do (tactfully and respectfully of course)

[3] As opposed to Fire Protection and EOD, what is the mission of Emergency Management in a CRBNE scenario?

"In a CRBNE scenario their would be a EOC-emergency operations center that is stood up and all organizations would play a part, FD and EOD are just some of the step children of CE since mainly CE is infrastructure maintainance and repair."
-kinda trailing onto this...some of us remain in the EOC, some of us go out there and use detection, marking and decon equiptment and work closely (well, we're getting there)with bioenvironmental engineering do what needs to be done depending on the situation.

[4] Are there conflicts of interest or operational style between Emergency Management, Fire Protection and EOD?

-doesn't really seem like it. We're all first responders but our missions are different so you can't really conflict on too much.

[5] What is the current state of the EM field? Where do you see it going in the near future?

-We're in transformation state. The career field will change as it needs to to adapt to the needs of the Air Force

[6] Is there ample time to complete a degree while performing your duties as an EM Airman?

"yes, like any other AFSC it will depend on how quick you finish CDC's,etc and how often your deployed,TDY and where too."
-three classes and two CLEPs from my CCAF...so there's time, you just take it as you get it.

[7] What are the highlights of being an EM Airman? What are your dislikes of the career field?

The career field has it's ups and downs. Every Emergency Manager has something they love or hate about this job. I love the fact that I don't have to go through CBRN class because I teach it. It's nice having a Mon-Fri gig(most of the time) but there are times when it seems like we do things that are very unnecessary pertaining to our job and that can get annoying pretty quick. You join EM, just come in and do your job. If you love it...more power to you. If you hate it...crosstrain if you can when your window opens.

[8] Is Air Force health care as horrible as I hear some Airmen describe it as?

I've had no problems. With the cost of healthcare right now...better to have crap than nothing at all.
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EM is a great career field if you desire to stay in and lead. More and more EM flights are run by MSgts. Even in a flight with an officer, the SNCOs are running the show more than several other career fields. When a traditional engineer explains something to me, I usually at least understand the jist of it. When an EM guy starts telling me about their WMD stuff, its usually way over my head.
 
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Hello again,

I thank you all for your responses. After weeks of searching the internet for information, you all have helped provide me with much more insight than Google or my recruiter [Wink] have.

On that note, I have a few last questions for you, if you will allow me:

[1] Why does it seem that the rest of the Air Force hate monthly CRBNE training? Smile

[2] Weezymiller, you mentioned that sometimes you have to perform duties that go beyond the normal scope of what is expected. Could you please elaborate on this? If you do not want to do so publicly, please feel free to PM me.

[3] Could someone please elaborate on their experiences in tech school? Is it particularly hard? This piece of information seems to be very hard to come by.

[4] Where is EM tech school? Is there anything fun to do in the area surrounding it? Big Grin

[5] Are there oppurtunities to travel abroad with a caeer as an EM Airman? Many articles I find cite the big trip the field took to South Korea a few years ago.

Much appreciated,

- Gerry
 
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Hello again,

I thank you all for your responses. After weeks of searching the internet for information, you all have helped provide me with much more insight than Google or my recruiter [Wink] have.

On that note, I have a few last questions for you, if you will allow me:

[1] Why does it seem that the rest of the Air Force hate monthly CRBNE training? Smile

-CBRN class is a bit on the boring side...to put it honestly and nicely. The course is changing and will (soon enough) become a hands-on training as far as EM is concerned. Members will do the CBT online and come to us for a go/no go hands on ONLY class. Some bases may or may not have already started this; it just depends on the individual base.

[2] Weezymiller, you mentioned that sometimes you have to perform duties that go beyond the normal scope of what is expected. Could you please elaborate on this? If you do not want to do so publicly, please feel free to PM me.

-I think that in every job leadership tends to have you doing things that may not fall under your job description. Every base is different, every EM shop is different, so what is extremely pointless and happens in my shop may not be an experience you ever have to go through. I think I can speak on behalf of many 3E9's in saying that one of the things that we do that doesn't have much to do with EM is Prime BEEF...but that's a whole other can of worms.

[3] Could someone please elaborate on their experiences in tech school? Is it particularly hard? This piece of information seems to be very hard to come by.

-Ah...tech school. That's changed several times as well. When I went through it was a 10 week course, then it was bumped up to 17 weeks I believe, then they dropped it down again and now I'm not really sure how long it is anymore. There is talk of implementing a two-week course into the curriculum to have students HAZMAT technician level certified upon tech school completion. I believe that if it goes to that, the wash out rate with increase a bit. Our training isn't necessarily hard, but there is a lot of information we need to know, and that type of addition to our course may be a bit of a brain overload. We do get to experience the CDTF (chemical defense training facility) where we are get our "mask confidence training" when they have us do training with live nerve agents.

[4] Where is EM tech school? Is there anything fun to do in the area surrounding it? Big Grin

-Ft Lost in the Woods, Misery...or Ft Leonard Wood, Missouri...whichever you prefer. It REALLY wasn't my favorite place to be, but some people like it. Not really a whole lot to do there (and the list of off-limits spots increased a bit since the last time I was there) but if you're the type of person who can make the most of any situation, you should be fine. I can tell you one thing though...it's a hell of a lot better to go back on TDY than it is to be there during tech school.

[5] Are there oppurtunities to travel abroad with a caeer as an EM Airman? Many articles I find cite the big trip the field took to South Korea a few years ago.

-EM Airmen can go almost anywhere in the world. Japan, Korea, Italy, UK, Germany, Portugal...you name it. But it's really up to AFPC (Air Force Personnel Center) to decide where and when you go. There are always exceptions, of course, voluntary deployments or tours to Korea for example. Ultimately it comes down to ensuring your dreamsheet is updated and crossing your fingers that AFPC picks you from amongst the crowd...

Much appreciated,

- Gerry
 
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Hello once again everyone,

I promise you all that this is the very last set of questions I have for you within this thread. Smile

If these questions seem a little shallow and prying, I apologize... They come from an argument a friend and I had about various specialized operations groups in various military branches in the role they played in protecting our country. Basically, I argued that Emergency Management, both civilian and military, don't receive as much credit as they should---Yes they mostly plan for the worst-case scenario, and may not be as high-speed, low-drag as some of the tactical operators in various other specialized operations groups, but in a very literal way, I see them as the Guardians against the most horrible of possibilities. While Rough Men may stand ready to do violence in our name to preserve the cause of freedom, equally intelligent and tough people stand ready to preserve humanity's survival itself...

But I'm ranting now... So without further ado, here are the questions...

[1] I've heard folks say that in a CRBNE scenario, EM Airmen plan, mitigate and coordinate various phases of the operation from mobile bases, but what do they do in the field? Is it just detection, quarantining and clean-up, or is there more?

[2] What kind of gear do EM Airmen use in the field? I mean, besides the standard CRBNE gear and tools, are there certain preferred hydration methods? Backpacks? Knives? Flashlights? Other tools? Computers? Etc. I realize this may sound just horribly ludicrous as a question, but I'm sort of a gear-geek and love studying the gear, tools and weapons of various military forces and I have to admit that I'm fairly ignorant of the standard and preferred gear of EM Airmen.

[3] Are there any preferred colors or symbols associated with Emergency Management in the Air Force? International Orange? Emergency Red? Caution Yellow? Tactical Grey? Etc. Again, just me being sort of a geek about the issue. Big Grin

If any of these questions violate OPSEC or are disrepectful for a civilian to ask, then please tell me and I will withdraw them immediately.

But, thank you everyone for your efforts in enlightening a kid with a dream and doubly thank you for your service to our country and humanity.

- Gerry
 
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I would definetly talk to your recruiter about getting in touch with someone in the career field to talk to. That word "interview" makes it sound like you are doing a story for a paper and would not be received weill if you called the based directly.

Letting the recruiter set up an interview for you, would take away the chance that you call and get the one Airman that doesn't like his job and tells you nothing but ugly things. Every job in the AF is important and what you make out of it.
 
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Hey I'am trying to get into the same field. I was a Chemical Operations Specialist in the Army Guard and now I'am trying to transfer into the Air Guard.
 
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i am in the EM career field is there anything else you want to know? it is true that senior nco's run the flight but thats only if you have them. We have staff running our flight right now. just to warn you, EM is a lot of work and the job is changing all the time. good luck to you if you decide to stick with it
 
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