Were Air Force Phantoms equipped with arresting hooks? If so, were all of their operating bases equipped with arresting gear for emergencies?

Tanx,
Billy D.

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Originally posted by ECMMan:
Were Air Force Phantoms equipped with arresting hooks? If so, were all of their operating bases equipped with arresting gear for emergencies?

Tanx,
Billy D.

I'm not sure if all models of F-4 used by USAF had the arresting hooks or not. I know some models did.

I also know during my time there were arresting cables on the ends of the runways. How often they were used I also don't know.

I can tell those cables do tear up the bottom of a C-130 when landing on touch down goes across the cable. I also know when doing rolling NVG landings and take offs on HH-53 we definite liked to avoid said arresting cables.

Thanks. I was wondering about the bombers, not the recon birds.
I appreciate the info.

Billy D.

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I'm not sure if all models of F-4 used by USAF had the arresting hooks or not. I know some models did.

Learn something new everyday. Like John, I knew some did ie, F-4E, but apparently the C/D versions did as well. Air Force version was only to be used in an emergency, unlike the B model stressed for carrier landings.

Elmendorf AFB flew F-4s back in the days I was assigned there (1977-1980). There were functioning arresting cables on each end of the main runway.

I know of the damage said cables do to bottom of a C-130 as I was a crewmember in back of a HC-130 when during very bad IFR weather night with much turbulance on approach the HC-130 touched down on it on landing.

We clearly heard it over the engine noise and felt it and I had to participate in the FOD walk afterwards too.

We had the doughnut cable, webbing, and then the sand and dirt pit at Grissom, no arrestors at Goose, and arrestors/webbing at Columbus. Never had a 4 hit it, but a Jolly Rogers 14 sure did.

Good scoop.
I'd run into a guy that was telling a war story about being in Thailand and almost threw the bull **** flag. It's good that I'm getting old and mellow. Oh, and not knowing diddly **** about the Air Force I'm glad that I held my fire. Having eaten crow from time to time during my younger years, it seems that I've actually gained a little bit of maturity.

Thanks for the word.
Billy D.

Variants
XF4H-1
Two prototypes for the US Navy, first flown 1958.
F4H-1F (F-4A)
Two-seat all-weather carrier-based fighter for the US Navy, J79-GE-2 and -2A engines with 16,100 lbf (71.6 kN) of afterburner thrust each. Named Phantom II in 1959 and redesignated F-4A in 1962; 45 built.[1]
TF-4A
A small number of F-4As converted into two-seat training aircraft.
F4H-1 (F-4B)
Two-seat all-weather carrier-based fighter and ground-attack aircraft for the US Navy and Marine Corps. J79-GE-8A or -8B engines with 16,950 lbf (75.4 kN) of afterburner thrust each. Redesignated F-4B in 1962; 649 built.[2]
DF-4B
F-4Bs converted into drone control aircraft.
EF-4B
One F-4B converted into an ECM training aircraft.
NF-4B
The redesignation of one F-4B for testing purposes.
QF-4B
F-4Bs converted into unmanned supersonic target drones; 25 converted.
F4H-1P (RF-4B)
Tactical reconnaissance version of F-4B for US Marine Corps, nose stretched 4 ft 9 in (1.4 m), smaller AN/APQ-99 radar. Three camera bays typically carried KS-87 forward oblique/vertical camera on Station 1, KA-87 low-altitude camera on Station 2, and KA-55A or KA-91 high-altitude panoramic camera on Station 3. Also carried AN/APQ-102 reconnaissance SLAR, AN/AAD-4 infrared reconnaissance system, and ALQ-126 ECM suite. Unlike RF-4C, cameras were on rotating mounts and could be aimed by the pilot. In 1975, modernized under Project SURE (Sensor Update and Refurbishment Effort); 46 built. Retired in 1990.
F-110A Spectre
The original US Air Force designation for the F-4C.
F-4C
Two-seat all-weather tactical fighter, ground-attack version for the US Air Force; supported a wide spectrum of weapons including AIM-4 Falcon, AGM-12 Bullpup, and nuclear weapons; wider main wheel tires resulted in distinctive wing bulges; J79-GE-15 engines with provision for cartridge start; boom refueling instead of Navy's probe and drogue refueling; AN/APQ-100 radar; duplicated flight controls in the rear cockpit. The aircraft exceeded Mach 2 during its first flight on 27 May 1963; 583 built.
EF-4C Wild Weasel IV
F-4Cs converted into Wild Weasel ECM aircraft. Equipped with AN/APR-25 RHAWS, AN/APR-26 missile launch warning system, ER-142 ECM receiver, and AN/ALQ-119 external ECM pod. Armed with AGM-45 Shrike anti-radiation missiles and cluster bombs but unable to carry the AGM-78 Standard ARM missile. Many survivors were reverted to F-4C.
RF-4C
All-weather tactical reconnaissance version for the US Air Force, AN/APQ-99 (later AN/APQ-172) radar. Equipped similar to RF-4B but with a wider choice of camera fits, including a centerline pod for the gigantic HIAC-1 LOROP (Long Range Oblique Photography) camera, capable of taking high-resolution images of objects 100 miles (160 km) away. Many aircraft were refitted with a more spacious bulging streamlined nose. A sub-variant, to be designated RF-4C(H) was proposed as a night "hunter" aircraft using infrared equipment instead of cameras under Operation Shed Light. In the end none were converted. While usually unarmed, RF-4Cs retained the ability to carry a nuclear weapon on the centerline pylon. Modernized RF-4Cs extensively participated in the Desert Storm war; 503 built.
YRF-110A (YRF-4C)
Two prototypes were used in the development of the RF-4C reconnaissance version.
F-4D
F-4C with updated avionics, AN/APQ-109 radar. First flight June 1965. Three USAF pilots became aces in F-4Ds; 825 built.[3]
EF-4D Wild Weasel IV
F-4Ds converted into Wild Weasel ECM aircraft. Unlike the EF-4C, the EF-4D had the capability to use the larger AGM-78 Standard ARM. Only 2 converted.
F-4E
USAF version with an integral M61 Vulcan cannon in the elongated RF-4C nose, AN/APQ-120 radar with smaller cross-section to accommodate the cannon, J79-GE-17 engines with 17,900 lbf (79.379 kN) of afterburner thrust each. Late-series aircraft equipped with leading-edge slats to improve maneuverability at the expense of top speed under the Agile Eagle program. Starting with Block 53, aircraft added AGM-65 Maverick capability and smokeless J79-GE-17C or -17E engines. First flight 7 August 1965. The most numerous Phantom variant; 1,389 built.
F-4E(F)
Proposed single-seat simplified version of F-4E for German Luftwaffe; none built.
F-4E Kurnass 2000
Modernized Israeli F-4Es, AN/APG-76 radar, AGM-142 Popeye capability.
F-4E Peace Icarus 2000
Greek Air Force modernized F-4Es, AN/APG-65GY radar, AIM-120 AMRAAM capability, Litening targeting pod, modern A/G weapons capability.
F-4E Terminator 2020
The latest in a long line of F-4 variants, the Terminators are a batch of Turkish AF F-4Es, modernized by Israel. They differ from the existing F-4E airframe in a number of key areas; small strakes have been fitted above the air intakes to improve the agility of the admittedly lumbering fighter, new attachment fittings have also been added, to better handle modern weaponry. Other additions include stronger wing fold ribs, an updated canopy sill bar, and the replacement of some 20km of wiring (reducing weight by 750 kg) as well as most hydraulic and pneumatic lines and hoses..[4]
The most radical changes occurred in the Avionics department. All 2020s have been fitted with vastly updated suite, including MFDs (multifunction displays)as standard, and incorporating a number of new technologies. new Kaiser El-OP 976 wide-angle HUD and HOTAS system, high performance Elta ELO/M-2032 ISAR-capable high-resolution SAR/GMTI (ground moving target indicator) multi-mode fire control radar (developed for the IAI Lavi), IAIC mission computer, new navigation equipment including GPS/INS connected to mapping mode, dual MIL-STD-553B databus managing avionics package, Astronautics Central Air Data Computer, new UHF and IFF packages, airborne video tape recorder (AVTR), Elta EL/L-8222 active ECM pod and Mikes (Aselsan) AN/ALQ-178V3 passive embedded SPEWS, and RWR.[4][5]
Additionally they had AGM-142 Popeye/Have Nap integration, Litening-II targeting pods, and the capability to launch AGM-65D/G Maverick, AGM-88 HARM, GBU-8 HOBOS, GBU-10/12 Paveway II LGBs, general purpose and cluster bombs for air-to-ground missions, while retaining the capability to launch AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. It is also possible to install Pave Spike targeting pods and rocket pods of all sizes.[4][5]
These upgraded F-4 Phantoms are referred to as the F-4E-2020 Terminator. They will be in service until at least 2015 and perhaps longer. The first entered service on 27 January 2000 with deliveries to 111 and 171 Filo.[6]
QF-4E
Remote-controlled target drone.
F-4EJ
Two-seat all-weather air defence fighter version of F-4E, initially lacked ground attack capability. Built under licence in Japan, by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries for the Japan Air Self Defence Force; 140 built (138 by Mitsubishi).
F-4EJ Kai
Upgraded version of the F-4EJ with improved avionics, including AN/APG-66J pulse-doppler radar, and ground attack capability, including ASM-1 anti-ship missile.
EF-4EJ
Small number of F-4EJs were converted into ECM training aircraft.
F-4E(S)
Three Israeli F-4E modified for high-speed reconnaissance as a cheaper alternative to the ambitious F-4X. Fitted with a new nose containing the HIAC-1 LOROP long-range camera with a 66-in (168 cm) focal length as well as a vertical KS-87 camera. The aircraft had a false radome painted on the nose to resemble conventional F-4Es. The fate and service record of these aircraft is unknown.
RF-4E
Unarmed reconnaissance version for export only. Retrofitted to carry weapons by most customers. Several Luftwaffe aircraft were modified for ELINT missions under Peace Trout program; 150 built.
RF-4EJ
Two-seat all-weather tactical reconnaissance version for the Japanese Air Self Defence Force; 14 built.
RF-4EJ Kai
Upgraded version of the RF-4EJ with improved avionics, AN/APG-66J radar.
YF-4E
One of the original YRF-4C prototypes was converted into the YF-4E. The YF-4E was used in the development of the F-4E fighter as well as in fly-by-wire Precision Aircraft Control Technology (PACT) and Control Configured Vehicle (CCV) test programs. Three conversions.
F-4F
F-4E for German Luftwaffe with simplified equipment, no Sparrow capability; 175 built.
F-4F ICE
Upgraded F-4F with AN/APG-65 radar and AIM-120 AMRAAM capability.
TF-4F
German trainer aircraft, with pilot instructor aft station and appropriate controls.
F-4G
US Navy version, 12 F-4Bs were fitted with the AN/ASW-21 data link digital communications system for automatic carrier landings, one shot down by enemy ground fire, the surviving 11 returned to F-4B configuration.
F-4G Wild Weasel V
F-4E converted to SEAD aircraft for the US Air Force. AN/APQ-120 radar, ability to carry AGM-45 Shrike, AGM-78 Standard, and AGM-88 HARM anti-radiation missiles. Widely used during the Gulf War, Operation Provide Comfort, and Operation Southern Watch; 116 converted initially, with a further 18 F-4E's converted as attrition replacements for a total of 134.
QF-4G
Remote-controlled target drone.
F-4H
Designation not used to avoid confusion with the pre-1962 F4H.[7]
F-4J
Improved F-4B version for US Navy and Marines, with emphasis on air-to-air combat capability improvement, which include: J79-GE-10 engines with 17,844 lbf (79.374 kN) of afterburner thrust each, AN/APG-59 pulse doppler radar coupled with the AN/AWG-10 Fire Control System for look-down shoot-down capability, larger main landing gear wheels resulting in wing bulges similar to F-4C, slatted tailplane, alierons drooped 16.5° when landing gear and flaps were deployed to decrease the landing speed, zero-zero ejection seats, expanded ground attack capability, no IRST sensor under the nose; 522 built.
F-4J(UK)
Designation of 15 low airtime F-4J aircraft purchased by the Royal Air Force from the US Navy in 1984, upgraded to F-4S standard with some British equipment. Used until 1991 by No. 74 Squadron only for UK air defence in lieu of Phantoms sent to Falklands.
DF-4J
One F-4J converted into a drone control aircraft.
EF-4J
Two F-4Js converted into ECM training aircraft.
YF-4J
Three F-4Bs were converted were into YF-4J prototypes. The YF-4Js were used in the development of the F-4J.
F-4K
F-4J version for Fleet Air Arm of the Royal Navy to replace the De Havilland Sea Vixen.[8] Operated as the Phantom FG1 (Fighter/Ground attack). Folding nose and extending nosewheel leg. Re-engined with the more powerful British Rolls-Royce Spey 202 turbofan engines which required an enlarged fuselage but gave more power taking off from smaller carriers and was already in use with Blackburn Buccaneer on RN carriers. Delivered from 1968, with cancellation of planned carriers order cut and 20 diverted to the Royal Air Force before going into service; 50 built. RN aircraft withdrawn by 1978 and passed to RAF.
YF-4K
Two prototypes, used in the development of the F-4K.
F-4L
Designation applied to several proposals for an advanced version, including Model 98FOA with RR Spey turbofan engines and AIM-54 Phoenix missiles.
F-4M
Tactical fighter, ground-attack, and reconnaissance aircraft developed from F-4K for the Royal Air Force, RAF designation Phantom FGR.Mk.2, ordered after cancellation of the Hawker Siddeley P.1154. RR Spey turbofan engines; 116 built. Replaced Canberra and Hunter. Replaced in turn by SEPECAT Jaguar
YF-4M
Two prototypes used in the development of the F-4M.
F-4N
F-4B modernized under project Bee Line, the same aerodynamic improvements as F-4J, smokeless engines. First flight 4 June 1972; 228 converted.
QF-4N
F-4Ns converted into remote-controlled supersonic target drones.
F-4S
F-4J modernized with smokeless engines, reinforced airframe, leading-edge slats for improved maneuverability; 302 converted.
QF-4S
F-4S converted into supersonic target drones.

[edit] Proposals
F-4T
Proposed air superiority-only fighter version; none built.
F-4VG
Proposed version with variable geometry wings; none built.
F-4X
Proposed high-performance reconnaissance version with HIAC-1 LOROP camera for Israel developed under program Peace Jack in conjunction with General Dynamics. Water injection was projected to give the aircraft a top speed in excess of Mach 3 (over 2,000 mph (3,200 km/h) at high altitudes). The water would be contained in a pair of 2,500 US gal (9,600 l) conformal tanks on the sides of the fuselage spine. State Department became worried about developing an aircraft with performance similar to SR-71 Blackbird and offensive capability beyond anything in USAF inventory for a foreign customer and forbade its export. The aircraft was then modified to RF-4X with the camera in the nose which removed offensive capability. However, USAF withdrew from the project over concerns that a high-performance Phantom would jeopardize funding for F-15 Eagle. Without USAF financial support, Israel settled for a simpler and less expensive F-4E(S).
Boeing Super Phantom
A 1984 joint venture between Boeing and Pratt & Whitney for a Phantom variant with Pratt & Whitney PW1120 turbofan engines with a significant performance gain over J79 Phantoms. The aircraft would also have an 1,100 US gal (4,230 L) conformal fuel tank under the fuselage. Cancelled early in development.[1]
IAI Super Phantom
A separate IAI project was proposed and one prototype constructed.[9] This Super Phantom project was separate from the Boeing Super Phantom proposal. The IAI made F-4 "Super Phantom" or F-4-2000 was demonstrated at the Paris Air Show in 1987. It could exceed Mach 1 without afterburners. McDonnell Douglas scuttled Kurnas 2000 development because it equaled the F/A-18C/D in performance and endangered any future sales of the F/A-18.

All F-4 models I had been around the C,D,E,G,J,and M had tailhooks for emergencies.

All home bases had arresting cables, majority of deployed locations, enroute refueling stops, or host nation bases had arresting cables.

In cases like the Gulf War, deployable arresting systems were used if the host nation didn't have the facilities.

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Originally posted by Torch8306:
We had the doughnut cable, webbing, and then the sand and dirt pit at Grissom, no arrestors at Goose, and arrestors/webbing at Columbus. Never had a 4 hit it, but a Jolly Rogers 14 sure did.

Had the doughnut cable at Carswell too. After that it was Ridgmar Mall to the south and Lake Worth to the north. One of our B-53D's found the lake in my time there. We dug it out and it sits on Ark Light Memorial in Guam. Just different tail #.

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Originally posted by Reach6:
All F-4 models I had been around the C,D,E,G,J,and M had tailhooks for emergencies.

All home bases had arresting cables, majority of deployed locations, enroute refueling stops, or host nation bases had arresting cables.

In cases like the Gulf War, deployable arresting systems were used if the host nation didn't have the facilities.

Reach6 is correct. All F-4 Phantoms were equipped with tailhooks. They were to be used in the event of drag chute failure, or hydraulic failure, or to keep from over heating the brakes, and on occasion, to make those of us in A.R. get out of the shop and tow one back to the shelters...

AFAIK the only modern (or last era) fighter that doesn't have a tailhook is the A-10.

All F-4s had a heavy duty hook since they were originally designed by the Navy for carrier landings.

The F100s also had arresting hooks they were not called tail hooks but arresting hooks