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Originally posted by FS4ever:
Its just a shame the way that some of these younger E-7's think.

The apple never falls far from the tree. If you don't like the way us youngins are acting do something to change it! My local CPO Mess (And CWOs) knew for a year that I was above the cut for CPO and never once offered any advice, invited me into the CPO Mess, etc. You can't b*tch about how we turn out if you don't put the time in to help us become a better Chief.
Chris

Chris - I got to defend our fellow Chief here. I think you are both lamenting about the same things. As a side note, folks 'above the cut' dont always merit any special attention. At least not as much as those in between advancement to E-7 and acceptance in the mess.

I think it is a fact of life that CPOs/SCPOs/MCPOs will stir up a little crap when assuring that E-7s go to CWOs, after all, not all CWOs are initiated!

Anyone in the DC area this Friday is welcome to come to the CCTI at TISCOM and observe me personally walk the talk!

I do have to add that the PCPO's in New Orleans have sought me and the other Eagle wearing initiated Chief's for words of widsom and have always introduced themselves properly.


Wasn't always the case in other places but the Mess here is trying.

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Originally posted by strb725:

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BM's go BOSN.

GM's go WEPS.

MSS's now have to decide: MSSE or MSSD.

'nuff said.

oookkkk...guess you were not too happy about that 7 year MSO tour Sir??

Where did you get 7 year MSO tour from?

1986-2002, with brief PSU breaks for Saudi and Haiti.

Actually, enjoyed the lengthy MSO tour. Got me my covetted Shrimp Fork!

They were getting too much testerone in the "M" field...

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Originally posted by strb725:

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There was also at that time the ability to go into the MSS field which gave you billets all over the place

So does anyone know WHY they took the ability to go MSS away from BM's and GM's?? I was very surpised to see that message on the 12th about it.

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The apple never falls far from the tree. If you don't like the way us youngins are acting do something to change it! My local CPO Mess (And CWOs) knew for a year that I was above the cut for CPO and never once offered any advice, invited me into the CPO Mess, etc. You can't b*tch about how we turn out if you don't put the time in to help us become a better Chief.
Chris

First off, any Chief that was a member of my Mess when I was a Senior Chief and a member of a Chief's Mess was always taught how to act like a Chief. I do not spend as much time in the Mess as I used to. For starters, I am not invited into the mess very much. When I am invited, I do reach out to them. I am in the Wardroom now and I mentor Junior Officers. I still mentor some of the Chief's aboard my cutter but some of them are not very receptive. They feel as though (and are taught my their local chapters) that we have gone to the "dark side" and do not hold as much clout as we used to. I am an initiated Chief. I was initiated many years ago back in Portsmouth Virginia. The "Mess" out here in Honolulu is telling thier "E-7's" going through the CCTI to approach all CWO's as "those whom have gone over to the dark side". I was given a SCPO charge sheet by one PCPO and I was asked to sign it in Black in instead of Red like the other SCPO's. Why?? The Mess out here is driving a wedge between the CPO's and the CWO's by distinguishing differences like this. I have my Red pen, and I will use it. I can understand a little "ribbing" from time to time, but when you draw lines within the family of initiated Chief's, that is where "I" draw the line.
On a side note, I wish I had the time and energy to try and change all of the "wrongs and woes" within the Chief's Mess's of todays CG. Why dont you look in the mirror and try to make positive changes of your own... Stand up and make some positive changes within your own ranks and stop looking for those who have "made positive changes" to do your work for you. I will do what I can and I will continue to support the Chief's Mess, but you will need to look in the mirror sometime and make some changes of your own too. Treat those who have gone before you with a little more respect.

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One more quick note...
When I attend a CCTI, I expect to get fined, ribbed and told that I "went to the dark side". I do not expect that from a PCPO who doesnt even know the difference yet.

I need to correct my above post. When I said my "local" mess, I meant my last unit as I transferred when I made Chief. My local mess is awesome and mentors those getting ready to make Chief. I feel it's more important to make those who you know are going to put on anchors feel a little a part of the community than all the concentration on the CCTI process. CCTI is not mandatory....if you're above the cut for Chief then you WILL be a Chief at some point(barring any NJP stuff). As far as PCPOs treating CWOs different is BS, once a Chief always a Chief.

I actually almost didn't go through CCTI becuase of the way I was treated by my last mess.

Chris

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Originally posted by FS4ever:
One more quick note...
When I attend a CCTI, I expect to get fined, ribbed and told that I "went to the dark side". I do not expect that from a PCPO who doesnt even know the difference yet.

You may have given me reason to evaluate what I do. I have sent PCPOs to the "Once a Chief..." people before with specific instructions to challange their let's say 'authenticity.' Of course, I have always known the person I sent them to and know that the CHIEF will provide a good lesson. I know they will put their 'wardroom' coffee cup down and dig out their CPO Mess Coffee cup for the discussion. I guess down deep inside I may be doing it as much to remind the "Once a Chief" person of their duties as a Chief as I do it to teach the PCPO. Is their any possibility that the mess is doing that? (not putting a lot of hope in the answer )

I just received you email...its a fantastic idea Master Chief!!!

Here's another tangent for you (considering this was about W-5s to begin with)....why aren't the mess(es) and CPO Association more inclusive and agressive in their recruiting and retention of CWOs?
I am speaking from ignorance as an uninitiated -with no knowledge of the mysteries or rites of passage - but I would think that reaching out to all CWOs, and even offering to initiate those that belatedly desire it, would help boost membership, morale, and fellowship.
I recall the story of the CWO that snapped at the Chief that addressed him as 'Warrant' with, "I'll try not to call you 'Petty' so long as you remember not to call me that again. I am a 'Chief' Warrant Officer. Try not to forget that, Chief!"
Real acceptance in the Mess would go a long way towards ending the sort of rancor described by posts in this thread. There are plenty of O-3/4's in my CWOA Chapter that are welcome members and add a whole lot of value to the Association with their membership. If we can do it, why can't the Mess and CPOA?
Just my $.02.

There are two parts to that.
1) CPOA: It is a bussiness decision for them. More members = more money.

2) Mess: that is the stickier part. As for your recruiting suggestion - I won't even 'recruit' E-7s. Acceptance in the mess is a two way street and the CWOs will have to be the more proactive side. They are the ones 'living two lives' so to say. Again - you can not be a CWO inside the mess. You MUST be a CHIEF inside the mess, regardless of the collar device you wear, to be accepted as a Chief.

Chief Randy - the skit was well recieved!

Replying to the why do people still go Warrant question? For me it was the billets. As an MKCS the quantity and quality of jobs drop off significantly compared to CWO jobs. Also as an E-8 or E-9 MK the EPO jobs all but dissappear, however if you go Warrant their are quite a few EO posistions availible on land and sea.

Just to back up what FS4ever said he was one of the best Chief's I ever sailed with. He was probably the most respected Chief on the Harriet Lane the three years we served together. I was a young MK1 at the time and I learned a great deal about leadership, mentoring and how to take care of my people from Randy "FS4ever", Guy "EMC" and Rene my MKC. Trust me when I say this FS4ever is deffinately doing things the right way when it comes PCPO's and the Chief's Mess/Wardroom relationship.

Mark

Well said Mark. So how are things going in Florida? Did you ever get the house sold? Drop me a line when you get a chance think of you guys often.

Mike

Hey Mike, no we have the house rented out right now. Florida is nice the kids like it and Wendy is working at their school for me being U/W on a 210' I've had better jobs. The plan is to try and get back to Mobile in AY09 we will see what happens. Good to hear from you

I am not quite sure I understand the furor about all of this. I was initiated on Governors Island in 1982 so I know what it's like to be a PCPO and then initiated.

I made CWO after being on the list for E8. Below the cut for CWO and above the cut for E8. I chose CWO. Then they froze promotions, and went way beyond the cut for E8. Go figure. But, I eventually made it.

I was one of the forutnate ones that had respect from both the mess AND the wardroom. The Chief's and I worked well together when I was on Marcus Island, so we got a lot done. Later on, at my last tour, as CWO4, we also worked together well and respected each other for what we were. Professionals. The Chief's knew me by both my first name, and my rank, but I knew them all by their first name, and that was "Chief". And I'll never forget that. I'm sure they never will either. Respect is what it's all about. You don't get that by simply wearing a hat, my friends.