I appreciate having a CWO board here. Retired 1986 currently Vice President Retired Affairs for the CWOA.

Bill Reetz

Same hear...

Now lets talk about this W5 thing. Can anyone tell me why W5 cant be treated the same as W4 is now. Why are we going to the pyramid promotion system with this final paygrade?

chapwood........

Here's the explanation I have received.
All current CWO billets are W-4.
To go to W-5 the billets must be evaluated and divided into a minimum of W-2/W-3 and W-4/W-5 jobs. There is a possibility there could be several W-5 only billets.
In order to have W-5 by law we could not have more than 10% as W5(I'm guessing on this percentage) but every specialty would have to have the opportunity for W5.
Maybe one of the PERS Types can elaborate more.

Not to sound redundant, but why not just make all billets W5?

chapwood......

The law only allows 5% the personal to be W5's

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_se...0000571----000-.html

Well with only three of us in our specialty in the Reserve side, that's .15 W5's in our specialty. Hmmmm.....

I personally don't like the idea of W-5 billets. Beyond personal reasons, nobody has provided a valid reason to have W-5 billets. I like the idea that all billets are at the W-4 level, and I like the option that I can apply for any W-4 job within my specialty.

http://www.cwoauscg.org/meetings/report_tig_committee_final.pdf

My .02 cents for what it's worth...

Jeff

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The law only allows 5% the personal to be W5's

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode10/usc_se...0000571----000-.html

Thanks. That explains it.

Dave

A little strange that there is still interest from folks in taking the appointment.

I've gathered the impression over the last couple of years, from the postings of many in the e-7 thru e-9 paygrades, that they'd rather have a sister gainfully employed in a cat house, than take an appointment and lose their "mess".

The appointment, then commission, is something none of them would want to subject themselves to. Must be the money that keeps the list going every year.

Speaking just for myself it wasn't so much the money as the billets for GMCS versus CWO (WEPS). At the time I accepted my appointment I had 19 WEPS Billets versus 8 Senior Chief and only 5 Master Chief. There was also at that time the ability to go into the MSS field which gave you billets all over the place.

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Originally posted by MastersMate:
A little strange that there is still interest from folks in taking the appointment.

I've gathered the impression over the last couple of years, from the postings of many in the e-7 thru e-9 paygrades, that they'd rather have a sister gainfully employed in a cat house, than take an appointment and lose their "mess".

The appointment, then commission, is something none of them would want to subject themselves to. Must be the money that keeps the list going every year.

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Originally posted by MastersMate:
A little strange that there is still interest from folks in taking the appointment.

I've gathered the impression over the last couple of years, from the postings of many in the e-7 thru e-9 paygrades, that they'd rather have a sister gainfully employed in a cat house, than take an appointment and lose
their "mess".

The appointment, then commission, is something none of them would want to subject themselves to. Must be the money that keeps the list going every year.

It has been a goal of mine since I was private in the Army based in Germany. I'll take the sister in the cat house....

chapwood..........

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I've gathered the impression over the last couple of years, from the postings of many in the e-7 thru e-9 paygrades, that they'd rather have a sister gainfully employed in a cat house, than take an appointment and lose their "mess".

The appointment, then commission, is something none of them would want to subject themselves to. Must be the money that keeps the list going every year.

I disagree. I was an E-8 with 19 years of service and was number 3 on the E-9 list. I took the appointment and commission to W-2 for the billets, not the money. I am still getting paid as an E-8 with all of my E-8 entitlements using the "saved pay" system. I wont actually get a pay raise until I make W-3 two more years from now. What ticks me off more than anything else is the "perception" from the Chief's Mess. I was approached by an E-7 that wanted words of wisdom from me. He didnt give me the whole "May I have the honor of introducing my humble self...blah,blah, blah" because his Mess told him that I wasnt a real Chief and that I had gone over to the "dark side". I had to tell him that I had spent over 6 years as a member of "the Mess" and that I had been a member of a Chiefs Mess (Harriet Lane & Morgenthau) for the last several years. I participated and actually organzied many CCTI's. I initiated most of my friends!! How can that type of history be erased by someone who just put on an anchor and said that I drifted over to the dark side? I supported many Chief's Messes and several different chapters. Its a shame that "some" Chief's messes still dont get it. I just tell them that I strived and I will continue to strive to keep the traditions alive in the Chiefs Mess. Even from the "dark side". Its just a shame the way that some of these younger E-7's think.

Randy, We had a similar discussion on this topic a couple of months ago.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/2660080141001/p/1

Some things I don't think will ever change even after the MCPOCG let them all know that those of use who now wear Eagles instead of Anchors are still to be considered "Chiefs".

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Though I've worn the finish off and it's now dull and hard to read, I carry my Chief's Challenge coin from my CCTI in my pocket at work every day. I showed it to some PCPO's that visited me recently and reminded them to remember their roots.

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There was also at that time the ability to go into the MSS field which gave you billets all over the place

So does anyone know WHY they took the ability to go MSS away from BM's and GM's?? I was very surpised to see that message on the 12th about it.

BM's go BOSN.

GM's go WEPS.

MSS's now have to decide: MSSE or MSSD.

'nuff said.

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BM's go BOSN.

GM's go WEPS.

MSS's now have to decide: MSSE or MSSD.

'nuff said.

oookkkk...guess you were not too happy about that 7 year MSO tour Sir??

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Randy, We had a similar discussion on this topic a couple of months ago.

I didnt realize that. I have been off of the boards for a while, just coming in every now and then. Just wanted to drop in my 2 cents worth...
The link you posted did offer some good reading and most of it sounded quite familiar

My husband Floyd Stormer spent 28 years in the CG. He was a CWO3 at retirement. anyone out there remember him /

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I supported many Chief's Messes and several different chapters. Its a shame that "some" Chief's messes still dont get it. I just tell them that I strived and I will continue to strive to keep the traditions alive in the Chiefs

My fellow Chief - may I suggest that the problem lies with both your shipmates in the mess as well as your shipmates in the wardroom. I have run across places where the CWOs 'idea' of being a "Chief" is that they can use the mess for lunch went it is convenient for them. I have seen a CWO ask me "who the hell I thought I was" when I adressed him by first name, at lunch, in the Chiefs Mess. We had served together afloat as PO1s. (Very interesting conversation after that!). Once a Chief, Always a Chief is what we preach and is what we should live by. That takes efforts on both sides. I have no issue booting ANY Chief, no matter their paygrade from the "mess" when they choose not to act like a Chief. When we are in the mess, there are no paygrades, only Chiefs.

Thanks for staying a Chief, shipmate!