What kind of discharge does a member recieve if kicked out for not being compliant on weight? I did read that it's considered 'Convienence of the Government' and is honorable or general. But what circumstances would cause a CO to issue a general discharge?
Also, once that member is compliant how difficult is the reentry process?
Honorable, on one copy it says "due to non-complience for weight" on the other just "honorable"
The CO can reccommend General, but you have to be a screw-up
You have 2 years to reenter at the same paygrade. I think all you have to do is go to a recruiter. BUT, I think one missed weight puts you through the door once again
As the guy who actually discharges enlisted people from the Coast Guard, perhaps I can shed a little enlightenment.
First, out of the 300+ people I've approved weight/body fat discharges for, none have been "General." They have all been Honorable, and unless there are some serious misconduct issues and a significantly checkered past in the member's reocrds, I can't see a time that we's issue anything other than an Honorable.
As far as having two years to reenter at the same paygrade, you may want to read M1020.8G just a little more closely. If a member who was separated for weight/body fat non-compliance comes within compliance within two years of being separated, he/she may *apply* for reenlistment in his/her previously held rate. People really need to be aware that approval of reenlistments is based on Service need and the member's overall record.
Also, if you do reenter after being separated, one failed weigh-in doesn't get you automatically tossed again. However, we generally don't have that problem, as one of the criteria we evaluate on requests to return to active duty is the member's track record on the weight/program during his/her previous enlistment. If the member was continuously on and off the program, and it appears that there hasn't been a real lifestyle change that would keep that member within compliance during a subsequent reenlistment, he/she might not be allowed to reenlist.
What he said!
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When applying for re-entry, the 'accession' standard applies, not the retention standard, correct? In other words, ONLY the weight standard is used and their is no taping to see if APPLICANT happens to be over weight but under bosy fat, right?
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I'll have to defer to CG-1221 for the definitive answer, but as explained to me by them awhile back the answer was "Yes." Members must meet MAW standards to access back into teh Coast Guard. . . without taping.
As a Recruiter in Charge we no longer tape anyone for accession. Must meet accession standards. Happy Holidays everybody.
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just confirm, that includes tempseps, integrations and everybody, not just 'first timers,' right?
Thank you to all for the information. The person in question has been an asset and I really do not want to see him get discharged for weight.
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Just another reminder, and it may seem like semantics, but they WILL NOT get discharged for weight! They will get discharged for FAT. The only real purpose of the scale is to determine who must have their FAT checked. (as also mentioned above, this is for retention only, not accesion)
Another conversation came up regarding TIS. Member is over 10yrs....11 yrs in January. How does that effect the process and/or severance pay? This came up in talking with some other people and we are now looking the persman. I have never heard of it but this is the first time dealing with this subject as well and just want to help him out as much as possible.
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No such thing as severance pay for enlisted. Officers have a great golden parachute program, not enlisted.
No rights to a sep board for folks over 8 for failing to meet body fat standards either.
If you really want to help member, hand cuff them to a stairmaster and hide the donuts from them. There has been almost ZERO change to the 'weight' program in the almost 11 years they have been in. If they gained so much weight and body fat since last weigh-in that they can not get w/i standards, there is an issue. I know you are not intentionally trying to find excuses for them, but you are in fact likely aiding in the 'enabling' process. They only got one more weigh-in under the current process and then the standards get tighter. Show them what number they need to reach on the scale to avoid being taped next October and work with them to set that number (actually a number below that) as their goal.
As a leader and shipmate issue, be careful here too. How you deal with him, affect everyone else within sight and hearing. Everyone else needs to understand how vital being in compliance is so that they don't 'grow' into non-compliance.
Roger that MC. I want the member to be in compliance and there be no issue at all with weight.
Must be different for the Army Guard. Over the past 15 years, I must have seen 50 discharges for being overweight. All were General under Honorable Conditions and were given Re-3 codes. I was the AGR HR Sgt. for a couple years and I processed 20 of them myself.
The rules were after two years you could re-join, and long as you lost the fat getting a waiver was pretty quick.
Whats the time frame for a discharge process. How quickly does it happen?
If the member fails probation, the command has five days to get the package routed to me. Once I receive the package, it gets reviewed in one or two working days. Discharge date is set for 20-working/30-calendar days from the date I approve the discharge.
Also, someone mentioned "severance pay." Severance is paid in conjunction with disabilities, but there is "separation pay" on the books. See COMDTINST 1910.1 - it's old, but it's still in effect. Member's who are separated for weight/body fat are not entitled to either full or half sep pay.
Are the new accession standards the new BMI ones? If so, that's like a weight drop of 20 lbs. or so from the old standards for my height.
For almost the past 2 years I have been going through my bas, different specialist, and neurology for treatment of “chronic debilitating headaches”. During the course of this time I have been taking medications like the following: Divalproex depakote er, Seroquel, Prazosin hcl, Citalopram, propoxyphen, amitriptyline, topamax, butalbital, ondansetron, cafergot, fluoxetine, promethazine, and metoprolol XL. To name all the medications I have tested would take up too much of your time. My current weight problem that I am dealing with started while experiencing a side affect of one of the medications I was taking that I have listed above. The name of the medication is depakote. I am still under going treatment for my medical problem, and filling as if I am a test subject.
I was told today that I have a month to loose 44 lbs or I will be administratively separated from the military if so will it be honorable or dishonorable? Will I still get my GI bill? Will they fix me before kicking me out or am I on my own? Thank you for your help and time.
I have a question. I am currently in the process of getting discharged for being over my weight. I just wanted to know that if I can prove the weight is due to a medical reason, will they still discharge me? I havent been checked out my a doctor yet, so i dont know if i have a medical condition that prevents me from losing weight yet.
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Take a look at your lifestyle and that will give you at least some indication. If you spend little time exercising, eat the wrong foods/drinks in the wrong quantities, than it isn't a medical issue. It is a "you" issue.
What have you done to try to lose the weight?
My husband is being counseled next week for getting back on the program within a month of getting off. We had to take leave with a very ill child and he did not work out properly (he has to do PT twice and day and eat on a schedule to pass a tape test, he has never met the weight standard) He got off the program last month and was so excited he had dropped 15lbs in order to do it and waist measurements were great. this this month, he lost another two pounds, lost another 1/2 in on his weight, but lost 1 inch off his neck, so he failed. They retaped him twice and same measurements. They are now pushing for a chapter. How is this possible.
taping the neck tape is rediculous. I have a smaller neck, a bigger (but six pack) stomach from working out a lot and prog not fat on me but it still says my BMI is 21 (passing) but its so dumb. I'm under my weight standards by 10 lbs and just did the BMI for fun. I guess i need to workout my neck a lot more, if anyone knows how to lol
Just more management inspired programs with a bottom line. Being able to cut the workforce, make the employee appear to be at fault, and management has 'clean hands' in reducung the workforce. You didn't follow the rules.
Conditions of employment, just another fancy way to cull the herd. You work there, get used to it.
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How long has he been in?
I would hope that she is referring to the fact that he had never been under the MAW but was under FAT. I personally have been at least 20-25 lbs overweight, but never over fact. The scale is not in favor of an average male who happens to lift weights.
Yup, and they've selectively brought it to the front burner when it is time to cull the herd. Been around since the early to mid 1980s in one form or another. A running gag, when it showed up, was the neck taping and the senior flag officer that had a neck like a chicken
A flag officer at Governors Island, with the corset to suck it in, was one of the first examples of how it is selectively enforced. It is all just personnel management practices.
Yep.... Having standards and high expectations can be very annoying, can't it! Speaking for myself, I'm more than happy to be part of an organization where this is the case! Am I suggesting it is enforced 100%? Of course not... But we are lightyears ahead of where we were not too long ago.
We demand more of people. They should know that when they sign up.
Are you sure you want to use "flag officer at GI" as an example?! We haven't had a flag officer there in over a decade and half! Might want to update your points of reference... We have people approaching retirement that never saw GI as a CG facility, let along a flag officer.
It goes back to give a reference just how long you folks have had some sort of a program/s in place, and how it has been applied over the years..
You've got to work there, those are your conditions of employment. If you want to buy into it, hook, line and sinker, more power to you. You've got to convince the people that work for you that you support it 100%. Someday, your time will be up and you too will pass along. Then, you may take a look back and observe what an artificial corporate environment and all the phoney management tools that are/were used. It is all designed to keep the employees that buy into it, content in thinking the world is just like the service. As long as you believe that, you'll be content.
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A reasonable person might conclude that you were intending to draw inferences to the current weight program based on your sixteen year old example. Otherwise, there's no point in bringing it up.
My time will most certainly be one day be done. But in the meanwhile, I will most assuredly ensure that those people who work for me are convinced that I support Commandant Policy and Standards. Something about "and those officers appointed over me"come to mind (I'm certain I read that somewhere....) If I fail in this most basic task, then I have truly failed. I owe those people in my charge more than that. The best way to teach leadership to them is to do this. If I can't follow orders, why should I expect them to do so?
In the meanwhile... Color me contended!
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