There are some AF guys and others smack talking Army Aviation over at In the News. They are claiming we are inferior due to not having a degree requirement.
Don't even get me started on this. I won't go into the fact that according to the school house, over 85% of Warrants have an Associates or better, 70% have a BS/BS or better, and 40% have a graduate/equivalent degree.
Further, lets talk about the type and location of our flying missions? Who flies into the hotter LZ's? Who can do more with less?
Don't tell me a god damn degree is basketweaving from podunk U is going to prepare you for anything in the air. Even on the civilian side its not worth the paper its written on these days.
Originally posted by lucky13ah64: Don't even get me started on this. I won't go into the fact that according to the school house, over 85% of Warrants have an Associates or better, 70% have a BS/BS or better, and 40% have a graduate/equivalent degree.
Gonna bet those numbers have to included all warrants not just aviation. They just let us start doing Degree Completion again. I don't see the time that all that many guys are getting degrees. The numbers are just too high for just aviators. I would agree when you include the techs, a lot of them have credits from courses that are very specilized.
They are claiming we are inferior due to not having a degree requirement.
That is so wrong. You are inferior because you don't get to wear one piece flight suits anymore like the rest of us. I had to leave the Army because I could no longer bear that fact.
That is good to hear. Bask in the glory while you can. I think I said this before in another thread but at Ft. Campbell in the late 90's we were all supposed to wear the ABDU instead of flight suits but they wore out so fast and were more expensive they finally gave us the option on what to wear and most chose flight suits instead of the ABDU except when in the field.
Here in the CG we were just told that the contract we piggy back off the Navy for flight suits will no longer supply green flight suits. So we will be going to desert tan. I personally preferred our blue ones.
AF Enlisted academic education - 71.3 percent have some semester hours towards a college degree - 17.6 percent have an associate's degree or equivalent semester hours - - 5.1 percent have a bachelor's degree -- 1.7 percent of Airmen -- 3.8 percent of NCOs -- 18 percent of senior NCOs
I got my B.S. while repairing broken AF assets, particularly old broken-down helos.
The Captain is totally wrong and I am embarrassed, as an AF NCO. Also, on the same note, my belief is that the best rotor wing pilots I worked with were former WOs or Marines. They seemed better trained and were more likely to "accept" situations that most pilots would not. In short, they were more apt to getting the mission accomplished without complaining about the hours or situations. For me, aspiring to be among the best is an easy decision. I am fortunate to have been selected and feel honored to be going to Rucker.
He is a former A-10 pilot. Not sure how they are treated now but in the early 1980's they were treated like sh*t by the Air Force. Certainly not treated on the same level as a fighter pilot.
Originally posted by tankkllr: That is good to hear. Bask in the glory while you can. I think I said this before in another thread but at Ft. Campbell in the late 90's we were all supposed to wear the ABDU instead of flight suits but they wore out so fast and were more expensive they finally gave us the option on what to wear and most chose flight suits instead of the ABDU except when in the field.
Here in the CG we were just told that the contract we piggy back off the Navy for flight suits will no longer supply green flight suits. So we will be going to desert tan. I personally preferred our blue ones.
Ha you should have seen the uproar I had when the AACUs came out and the non-deployable unit got them, while I still have guys without. I think all the uniform changes need to stop.
On a completely different side looks like some warrants will be joining you over on your side the house. Saw the DCO list the other day.
Originally posted by ErichG2: He is a former A-10 pilot. Not sure how they are treated now but in the early 1980's they were treated like sh*t by the Air Force. Certainly not treated on the same level as a fighter pilot.
Not that it matters though.
Everyone has their roles, I just get pissed with generalized comments from the AF. 99% are great guys, but everyonce and a while you meet one that doesn't take Army Aviation seriously. I think thats the messed up part of it. But oh well, sure he's a smart guy who just didn't really think about it before he wrote something.
Everyone has their roles, I just get pissed with generalized comments from the AF. 99% are great guys, but everyonce and a while you meet one that doesn't take Army Aviation seriously. I think thats the messed up part of it. But oh well, sure he's a smart guy who just didn't really think about it before he wrote something.
He was an idiot for posting what he did and then trying to stick by it. Army Aviators didn't have college in the early Army Air Corps either.
Also the old Army adage applies here: college does not equate to common sense. I can give endless examples in and outside the Army.
There are active and former Infantry on this website post-2000 that write a lot better / clearer then the civilians with Master Degrees I have to work with.
The Air Force never wanted the A-10. At one point, there were talks about transferring them to the Army. One reason that fell apart, was the Air Force "demand" they be only flown by Commissioned Officers, not mere mortal Warrant Officers. The Army stance was, they'd decide who they wanted in the cockpits. Supposedly, to stick the knife in and twist it a little, there was even talk of reviving the Enlisted Flight Program. BTW, Chuck Yeager was a Flight Sergeant before he was commissioned.
I had to leave the Army because I could no longer bear that fact.
