I'm afraid I flew Apaches when they were "new" and most of us were complaining that it wasn't as cool looking as the Cobra. It didn't matter that the Apache out performed the AH-1 in every other facet of operation. It just mattered that the AH-1 we had all flown looked cooler.
So I certainly can't add to much of the present Apache info but if you need info on the A, B,B+, and C models let me know.
Hey man, any info is better than no info at all. BTW, I agree that the Cobra looks better, but I also think that the Huey is a real man's helicopter too. Nothing like the "Whoop Whoop Whoop" sound to wake you up in the morning.
both are 153A, both are pilots. the gunner is generally the junior pilot. Every Apache pilot takes his turn on the gun until he gets Q'd for the back chair. People who are already q'd on the 64 may have better info for you.
Vitaminc2o is right. They both hold the same MOS and they both fly. During training the norm used to be that the pilot (backseat) would fly the aircraft until ordnance was unleashed then the gunner would take the controls. This allowed the gunner to navigate to the position(s) and use the weapons systems and then allow the gunner to get some stick time so he could continue to learn to fly. This also allowed the pilot to take a nap.
I don't think there's an actually qualifier for the back seat. Out of flight school we're all qualified for the back and front. I like the front seat though, they have the fun job. Oh and we're 152H, I think 153A is just a basic pilot A/C nonspecific.
Apache Performance Based Logistics Follow on Contract Awarded
(Source: Lockheed Martin; issued April 9, 2008)
ORLANDO, Fla. --- The U.S. Army has awarded Lockheed Martin a Performance Based Logistics (PBL) follow-on contract to support the Target Acquisition Designation Sight/Pilot Night Vision Sensor (TADS/PNVS) and Modernized TADS/PNVS (M-TADS/PNVS) systems on the AH-64 Apache helicopter.
The original PBL contract, awarded in early 2007, established a system of continuous improvements supporting the AH-64 Apache TADS/PNVS and M-TADS/PNVS programs. The PBL contract provides complete post-production supply chain management, including spares planning, procurement, repairs, maintenance, modifications and inventory management of fielded systems.
I selected 64's yesterday, and I'm wondering if you guys know if there is a cockpit trainer on base that I would have access to even though I'm not classed up. Thanks, Dave
They (LCT - Longbow Crew Trainer) guys wont let you in the sim until you have a class, helmet, and IP. It really wont do you much unless you have an IP or know what you're doing. Good luck though, you'll love it. I wouldn't change my A/C for anything in the world.
Questions for AH-64 Pilots, or if you KNOW the answer or have an idea, please chime in:
I currently crew on 47s, we have AFCS, Advanced Flight Controls System. When on, it does all kinds of things basically keeping the aircraft in trim, holding airspeed, etc.
Does the 64 have anything like this?
Is front and back seat controls directly connected, as in when you move one stick the other moves as well?
A day in the life of 64 pilots in Iraq is like....?
in Garrison...?
I am curious, because after crewing on 47s I am almost 100% sure Id never like to go Chinooks out of IERW.
Originally posted by SGT_Walz: Questions for AH-64 Pilots, or if you KNOW the answer or have an idea, please chime in:
I currently crew on 47s, we have AFCS, Advanced Flight Controls System. When on, it does all kinds of things basically keeping the aircraft in trim, holding airspeed, etc.
Does the 64 have anything like this?
Yes. Force trim, as well as Attitude and Altitude hold, which works as a "Hover Hold".
Is front and back seat controls directly connected, as in when you move one stick the other moves as well?
Yes, but in the event of an emergency they can be cut from one another.
A day in the life of 64 pilots in Iraq is like....?
Dont know this yet.
in Garrison...?
Depends, if you just got back from Iraq/Afghanistan then you're in reset. If you're going, then you're training up.
I am curious, because after crewing on 47s I am almost 100% sure Id never like to go Chinooks out of IERW.
From what I hear, it's totally different when you're flying "Big Windy" I don't know but that's what they say.
Originally posted by submariner737: Nunez- what's the average time to complete the 64 course once you start?
BWAAAAhaahahhahaahha......Good luck trying to finish it in 6 months. On average it takes about 7-9 months. It took us 8 months and we flew constantly. Now I hear that there's even more of a back up than there ever was. You'll get through (if you study and pay attention), it'll just take a while. They dont make WO1 Apache Pilots anymore, if you are a W1, you'd be a "senior" WOJG. Make the best of it, eventually you'll get out of Mother Rucker.
I like the sinister evil laugh...you know when you see one of those at the begining of a reply you are about to take a big bite out of a $hit sandwich. Thanks- Dave
Originally posted by vitaminc2o: both are 153A, both are pilots. the gunner is generally the junior pilot. Every Apache pilot takes his turn on the gun until he gets Q'd for the back chair. People who are already q'd on the 64 may have better info for you.
Whoa whoa whoa, 153A is a WO MOS, are all Apache pilots are Warrant Officers? Because I was under the impression that you could go 153A and be a WO or 15 and be a regular Officer.
Warrant officers going Aviation start out as 153A's (Rotary Wing Aviator) which is not aircraft specific. Once they've finished with the AQC the Apache pilots become 152Fs.
