Were you prior service?

Nope. Just a civilian with a goal.

I would like the opinions of as many people as possible. Is a civilian with a degree more competitive for the WOFT Program than a prior service (Marine Corps) applicant with no college degree?

Here's my stats so far:

109 AFAST
117 GT
75 ASVAB

Now I realize a few things. First I know that my scores on these tests aren't the highest that I've seen or heard of and that having no college experience isn't going to be looked at by the selection board as favorable. If I could get some opinions on how competitive I may may not be that would be great.

It's extremely hard to predict what is a competitive packet and what is not. Just work hard on your packet, do your best, and submit. Don't think about whether you are competitive or not and think about what you can do to increase your odds (make yourself a top quality resume, work hard on your essay, max your PT test, etc.).

Do not sell yourself short and remember if you do not get selected you can try again. Good luck!

Is this an accurate training progression for WOFT?

BCT
WOCS
JOPD
Dunker
SERE
BOLC-II
BOLC-IIIA
IERW Common Core
AQC
BOLC -IIIB
Graduate

The syllabus that I have reads:



Warrant Officer Syllabus (all courses at Fort Rucker), expect 18 months to complete.

a. Warrant Officer Candidate School.

(1) 4 weeks for E5 and above with Warrior Leader Course completed.
(2) 6 weeks for E5 and below without completion of Warrior Leader Course.

b. JOPD – Junior Officer Professional Development -1 week

c. Survival Escape Resistance and Evasion (SERE) – 3 weeks

d. Dunker Training - 1 week

e. Aeromed (Aviation Medicine) – 2 weeks at Fort Rucker Hospital

f. Initial Entry Rotary Wing School (taught in TH-67 Jet Ranger)

(1) Primary – 8 weeks

(a) Hovering and basic emergency procedures
(b) Air Field and Aviation Operations

(2) Instruments – 8 weeks
(3) BWS (Basic Combat/Warfighter Skills) – 4 weeks

g. Advanced Qualification Course (AQC) taught in UH-60 Blackhawk or CH-47 Chinook.

(1) Primary – 4 weeks
(2) Instruments – 1 week
(3) BWS – 4 weeks
(4) NVG (night vision systems) – 4 weeks

h. Officer Basic Course Bravo – 3 weeks

(1) Mission Planning
(2) Doctrine
(3) Maintenance Operations

i. RL Progression at Home Station (Helena, MT) – 4 weeks

(1) Report to Unit
(2) Commander’s Evaluation
(3) Basic maneuvers and EP’s
(4) Mission Tasks

No BOLC II for us, yet.

The above schedule is accurate except that AEROMED is only about 4 days, and Dunker is 3 days.

AQC is pretty close. Except if you get 47's you only get about two days for Instruments before the check. It's mostly a familiarization ride anyway. Total course length for 60's and 47's averages to about 15 weeks between the two. No hold for 47's. Plan on about a 3-4 month bubble for Hawks.

18 months is being optimistic. However, with the cutback on accessions and the reformatted training schedule, things might be a little different. If you are a guard guy with Mobilization orders, plan on getting pushed right through.

Roger that thanks.

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Originally posted by TwentyOneMike:
The syllabus that I have reads:



Warrant Officer Syllabus (all courses at Fort Rucker), expect 18 months to complete.

LOL

Where during that progression will I need to find housing? Will I get time to return home and then move my stuff? I'm leaving in 3 weeks for basic so I'm trying figure out some logistics.

Can someone extrapolate on where the bubbles tend to be in the process? How long are they, and are they mostly dependent on airframe/component/whatever?

I guess am just a little confused about what the big hold-up is.

Now this is a story all about how
I got myself to where I'm now
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how to get yourself in a heli down there.

In Southwest Asia under hot sun rays
Buildin' runways was how I spent most of my days
Sweatin' and Cursin' and workin' with my tools
And Duckin' some mortars while tryin' to keep my cool
Then a couple of nights
Sleep was gettin' real good
They zeroed in some hits around my neighborhood
We sent out one little 'pache, its cannon blared
I said, "I gotta get my ass into that thing right there"

I finished my time, and as it came near,
I didn't waste time and got my ass into gear
I liked my DA photo but not my hair
But I thought, "Nah, forget it, it's fine I ain't square."

I pulled up to the recruiter's about seven or eight,
And I yelled to the Sergeant, "It's all here, I sign where?"
Got my selection, I was finally there,
on the way to get my ass in them things in the air.

The big hold-up? What do you have going on that is so important? Isn't Rucker the place you've been trying to get to this whole time? How about trusting that there are many people more intelligent and experienced than both you and me, who are doing the best they can to keep the ball rolling?

Furthermore, your paychecks will continue to come in. What I'd like to know is in what manner you plan to make yourself useful to Uncle Sam while you are in [paid] hold status?

For now, all you need to worry about is learning the TH-67 like it is the only thing you will ever fly. Be thankful for the time you do get, and use it wisely ...because that is what your competition is doing.

We have to police our own, so consider this a friendly reminder.

But still, I hope you wash out. More flight time for me.

Withoutaprice: a college grad, with scores better than yours was twice NS at my board. I saw him at testing and the physical. He complained to the proctor when time ran out, and his recruiter had to hold his hand at the flight medical. He was officer material, maybe, but not WARRANT material.

I never wondered what other selectees' qualifications were, but I guess that's because I've always been the best as long as I applied myself. Do you get what I'm telling you.

The type of people who make it, are the ones who never worry about the competition and simply know they are the best.

PS: I think I missed four or five questions on the AFAST, and the rest of my qualifications are as good as you're afraid they might be.

PPS: In my opinion, the people who have advised against taking an aviation MOS unless it is truly what you want are right. I think combat experience would be the most favorable background to have, above college or any aviation MOS. In other words, aviation MOS does not save one from a mediocre score.

There was this 18 year old kid at MEPS who was about to break down into tears because there were no aviation MOS' available. Complete pencil pusher. I hope he got stuck with Combat Arms, because he needs it. He wouldn't know it yet, but it will also look great on his packet.

After all of that, my question remains unanswered.

Calm down. I am just trying to understand where the bubbles are and what causes them. There's no need for diatribes.

This is coming from someone who is on the front side of the bubble right now.

After WOCS, plan on waiting for JOPD/BOLCIIIA for up to 3 months. Like traffic said, the schedule is pretty much what you already posted, except that after the week of JOPD, you do BOLCIIIA (3 weeks), then SERE. Dunker is now 1 long a** day and is a scheduled day during JOPD.

This is the norm at this time. The bubbles occur after each phase of training. They could be a week to several months, depends on what phase you are waiting on. After you finish BOLCIIIA, you go right into SERE. After SERE, you wait 4-6 weeks for AV med. "They" are trying to cut down the time between SERE and Aeromed, but I haven't seen it happen as of yet.

After you get through primary phase, BWS, and instruments, you could wait up to 6 months for FSXX1; this depends on your selected aircraft and numerous other variables that are likely out of your control.

I know several CW2s that pinned on last July, just to give you a reference. I know two UH guys that left here around 18 months or less, if my math is correct.

Like others have stated, enjoy your time and stay focused. Stay off the radar of anyone who could spell disaster for your career. I think I covered most of the stuff. Again, things change, so be flexible and stay focused on the objective. I keep telling myself this all the time. Anyone else got something for this guy?

BTW, good luck.

I'm calm, believe me. The only thing that gets me going is disrespectful boyfriends of my sisters'.

Aren't you looking forward to getting paid? I know I am. I just sensed a distrust in the system, is all. Really, what would cause these bubbles, other than an overloaded system?

Everyone wants aviation, and everyone is watching. My point is, asking those types of questions can be interpreted as all the wrong things by those people who are trying to get you through the pipeline [when it's really just a lack of engaging your brain].

Haven't you heard the saying, "hurry up and wait?" Well modify that to, "hurry up and study."

What does hold status consist of in terms of duty?

Maintain Rigid Flexibility at all Times.

picking weeds

If you are on hold status do you have a lot of freedom to take leave etc.?