Thanks alot guys. I actually found a great recruiter today who had done a WOFT packet before. I started the process.
I know I came off as harsh here on the forums, but I do know how to show respect for people/superiors when they are wrong. I have had to correct my touchy boss in the past in order to save 1000's of dollars. I know what you mean about being nice and getting things done.
I'm not so concerned with everyting being easy, I just want it to be right.
Can someone put some info about WOFT application process in the Guard? Do you have to be enlisted in that unit you are applying to? What if you are active duty, etc?...
The Guard does not have the WOFT program. (at least in the same sense as a.d. Army and reserve). You have to be a member of the Guard to even apply. Since you are a.d. I would try to get a flight physical from the regular Army to see if you are even qualified BEFORE joining the Guard.
Thanks, check this out, this is what my state webpage says:
WARRANT OFFICER SCHOOL
Eligibility Requirements Who can become a Warrant Officer in the Army National Guard? You can. If you are currently an E-5 or higher in the Army National Guard, a USAR soldier, a transitioning active component soldier, or a current or former Warrant Officer, you might just be the person we're looking for. There are also some basic requirements you must meet as determined by the Army National Guard. Applicants must:
* Be between the ages of 18 and 46, * Score 110 or above on the General Aptitude Area Test, * Be a High School Graduate or pass the General Education Development test (GED), * Be a U.S. citizen by birth or naturalization, * Be able to successfully pass all events on the Army Physical Fitness Test, * Meet certain mandatory technical qualifications for your specific MOS, * Meet certain medical, security and licensing requirements (depending on your specific MOS).
For more details, you can read DA Circular 601-Series for the latest requirements and information. Note for applicants for initial appointment in MOS 153A, Rotary Wing Aviator: You must meet the basic requirements except you must not be older than 27 years and 6 months at time of application. Applications for this MOS are submitted through the State ARNG Training Manager. To get more details, and to find out if you qualify, check with your Officer Strength Manager. If you meet all the necessary prerequisites, you will be ready to proceed to the next step in becoming an Army National Guard Warrant Officer.
Seems like "a transitioning active component soldier" would fit me, nothing wrong with Active Duty though I'd like to have more options.
My hsuband jsut got his AFAST results and he was told that all he needed was a 90 to pass and he got a 105 do you think that is good enough for him to get into the warrant officer flight program
I am still in high school but am looking towards my future. My dream is to become a warrant officer and become an army aviator. My father was an army aviator but now all he flies is a desk. He has told me that he would help fund my going to civilian ground school then get my civilian pilots license. My recruiter told me that my civilians pilots license would certainly get me into WOFT. Is this true??
Shoffman, 90 gets you a score that you can get into the program. I can tell you that all the people at my flight table didn't score over a 100. If you have a strong packet it makes up for scores. Don't worry just finish the packet and the board decides.
JNelan, Don't think that a PPL will guarntee anything. Put in a packet, go to college get some credits, maybe a degree. As someone who doesn't have their degree I can say it gets harder everyday to want to go back to school, espically during flight school. The board has lots of answers to questions look at them. If your heart is in it you will eventually get picked up. I know cause I see guys who put in packet after packet.
Bushmaster, I am a former Guard recruiter that just got a flight slot so I should be able to answer alot of your questions because I have seen both sides of the fence. I saw that you pasted your states Warrant Officer criteria, just so you know that is right out of an Army pamphlet. They pretty much put that out because it is generic and easy to post. Aviation Warrant positions are completely different, you need to meet some of the requirements ie: GT 110, citizenship, Age, HS grad or GED, APFT, security clearance and physical. But you don't have to have much prior service time or an MOS and rank doesn't matter. The State Aviation Officer (SAO) is the person responsible for sending you to flight School. If you are prior service you should have an advantage over most in the Guard. You don't -have to have an Army MOS -hold a certain rank
You DO -have to enlist into the Guard -if Prior service you can enlist for 1 year
You cannot enlist into the Guard for 09W as an aviator, that is straight from the 06 ARNG enlistment criteria or 06EC(Recruiters Bible)You also have to attend 2 boards, the SAO board and a Federal recognition board were you will be pinned a WOC. You have to enlist into the guard first because of the Boards and the EC. If you are concerned about getting stuck in an enlisted position don't worry, you need to have your recruiter conduct a confrence call with the SAO or Aviation battalion OIC and yourself. Let the aviation unit know what your intentions are and they will take care of you. You will need put your packet together and you really need to be in that States Guard in order to complete your packet. If you have any more specific questions just let me know.
What does anyone recommend for housing for WOFT? Is it best to seek housing that's furnished, or finding an unfurnished place for me to bring my own household goods, furniture, etc., to?
Originally posted by 4270250: You will need put your packet together and you really need to be in that States Guard in order to complete your packet. If you have any more specific questions just let me know.
Thanks for the details on the guard selection process. However I have 4 more years on my contract in active duty, how is this going to work? How do you cross over to the guard while you are active?
Originally posted by travplum: What does anyone recommend for housing for WOFT? Is it best to seek housing that's furnished, or finding an unfurnished place for me to bring my own household goods, furniture, etc., to?
You'll be there for about a year. It all depends on how badly you want your things to be there with you. If you're single, furnished might be the best thing.
I agree with Horse. I think some where I have written about housing. I gotta recommend living off post. You can get cheap furniture whether its through yard sales of guys leaving or through people just giving away stuff. I know a ton of people who have done this. People are constantly moving from Rucker so there is never a shortage of people getting rid of stuff. The TDY places are not as nice sometimes as the unfurnished ones. There are a couple of townhomes though that are nice and TDY.
Im a Junior in a Military High School and aspire to become an Army Aviator. I have researched the "high school to flight school" program and found it quite appealing. I know that you need to have a GT of 110 or higher on the ASVAB and a 90 or higher on the AFAST. Besides those things, what will make a person applying for this position more competitive? What is tested at the Flight Physical and MEPS? How big of a role do the letters of recommendation play in the process?
i am currently a WOC in the reserve. i have this to say. you will not get a seat in wocs or ierw if you live outside 200 mile radius or are not currently drilling with the avn unit that you will assigned to. i talked to a certain major who heads up the scheduling for the reserve aviators and he flat out told me i will not go to flight school until i move within the limits. his criteria for this is based solely on HOR. this is very widespread, and not just happeing to me. it seems the reserves are having probs with aviators having to commute long distances to drill sometimes multiple times a month. i dont know if he schedules for NG. he actually told to to go NG instead because there are units closer to my HOR. unfortuneatly none are apache, so i am staying the course.
Originally posted by vudu750: i am currently a WOC in the reserve. i have this to say. you will not get a seat in wocs or ierw if you live outside 200 mile radius or are not currently drilling with the avn unit that you will assigned to. i talked to a certain major who heads up the scheduling for the reserve aviators and he flat out told me i will not go to flight school until i move within the limits. his criteria for this is based solely on HOR. this is very widespread, and not just happeing to me. it seems the reserves are having probs with aviators having to commute long distances to drill sometimes multiple times a month. i dont know if he schedules for NG. he actually told to to go NG instead because there are units closer to my HOR. unfortuneatly none are apache, so i am staying the course.
not specifically bushmaster. i was just putting the info out there. i'm not sure how NG is being seated, but for the reserves, you basically need to beg this certain major for a woft seat. its actually quite demeaning. i guess he wants to see how determined you are to become an aviator, one way is to relocate wherever your unit is, the other is to get down on your knees and beg major makelifeapain for a seat as he gives you career guidance.
I am in the process of applying for the Street to Seat Program as well. I have taken my ASVAB (91st percentile, 124 GT) and passed my initial medical screening at MEPS. I will be taking the AFAST on June 20th. I am currently finishing up my junior year of college at Cal State Fullerton. Is there anything that will make me more competative? Does anyone know any stats on how many civilians are accepted vs how many apply?
My parents are pushing me to finish my degree. If all goes well I will be done in two semesters. I read on the WOCS recruiting page that once accepted, a candidate may leave 2 to 12 months after they sign. Is this a choice or is it based on the needs of the Army? I am wondering if I should wait to turn in my packet until after I graduate.
Any further insight for a motivated civilian applicant would be greatly appreciated.
Bear in mind that i'm just a crewchief who is also applying for flight school. However I have weaned quite a bit of knowledge from my pilots over time. I would bet that you'll find your report date, like everything else in the military, will be at the Army's discretion. Of course upon acceptance you could contact the civilian in charge of class dates and ask for an extension, but if you were unable to secure that, what would you do then? Something to think about.
If I had a chance to finish a degree I would, especially if I was younger. Sounds like you'll be competitive and I have to say from experience that Warrant Officers fly a great deal more than RLO's. I think you've made a smart decision to go Warrant and I would caution rushing into something that is not going anywhere for you. I bet you get in and I'm sure your degree will only solidify your chances for acceptance while giving you an edge later in your career.
For now I'd say get it done, your too close now and work on your PT all year, nothing like being PT exempt at Rucker.Sure it's just a piece of paper but why not get it man. I'm sure somebody will always have a different point of view but I think Mom and Dad are correct. Good luck!
I need help. Im a civilian and am getting my packet ready for 153. How do I pass the AFAST? My ASVAB is good 114 gt score but I dont know anything about flying yet. I didnt realize that I needed to pass this test before I could apply! I will study as much as needed , but what do I study?
