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Voice_of_Democracy,

Thanks for your input. I'll check with my AG section about ETS extensions. Thanks.

Hello,

I have just read through every single post on this thread and can't seem to find anyone who's in my current situation... so I'm going to lay out my questions and hope that someone knowledgeable towards the process; perhaps a current warrant or recruiter runs across this post and could shed some light on the matter!

To give some basic background info on myself; I'm a 29 year old E-6 in the Air Force Reserve with 9.5 years of active duty service (AF). I have recently begun a "fact-finding" mission to start working on a WOFT package. My ASVAB scores are qualifying, I have 2 years of college and I have been practicing regularly for the AFAST. I have been a helicopter crew chief throughout the duration of my military career; I have my A&P and I will be taking my PPL checkride next week... however before I get “lynched”, I just wanted to make it clear that in no way do I view my helicopter maintenance background and FAA credentials as "leverage" in the selection process!

I have read and fully understand the instructions outlined on the WO recruiting site, and although the site is explicitly clear on 99.5% of the process, it still seems somewhat vague to me when it comes to my specific circumstance; being a reservist. I understand that because I am no longer on active duty, it will be necessary to work through a recruiter, and this leads me to the question; would I be considered in the same applicant pool as the "High School to Flight School" / “Street to Seat” folks because of this?

Although I have not contacted a recruiter as of yet, (I plan to do so next week) after reading through the threads, it seems apparent that there are a few “bad” recruiters out there, and I won’t be buying off on the BS “enlist now, apply later” ploy, so I’ll certainly be watching out for this sort of thing when I go in there. I am also wondering if my completed package will be closer to mirroring an active duty package than a civilian package. The reason I am bringing this up is that I have read the different requirements for civilian applicants regarding LORs and such, they seem like they’re geared more towards the non-prior applicant as opposed to someone like myself who’s been around the military for awhile. Because I am a reservist, would anyone know if having 3 good LORs is going to be suffice; the 2 from within my COC, along the 3rd from a Sr. Army Aviator?

I am deeply committed towards this entire process and realize that it will take a lot of work on my part, and I am more than willing to do whatever it requires. Thanks for any constructive input in advance!

TSGT,

I was in your situation not too long ago. I went from AD Army to the Air National Guard, and back to the Army.

The answer to your main question is 'yes.' You will go through the same process as a High School to Flight School person. On the WO website it states that any national guard or reserve component applicant with any branch of the military must work through a recruiter and get processed like a civilian. You will need that DD368 IN HAND prior to even heading to the recruiter's office, or he won't even touch you. Legally, he can't. It will need to be signed by the Wing Commander or his/her designee.

Because you will be processed like a civilian, you will need to comply with the same requirements pertaining to LOR's. Three more shouldn't be that hard to get. Find who you want, write them yourself, and get them to sign it.

Your packet will look like an AD packet as far as qualifications go so pimp what you have for all it is worth.

Did I leave anything unanswered?

WOC E.

Traffic,

I think that you've covered just about everything that I needed to know; thanks for taking the the time to answer!

wut do i need to know for the test to be eligible for the pilot postion

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Originally posted by 4858037:
wut do i need to know for the test to be eligible for the pilot postion

The ability to research the answers for your question and the ability to spell usually helps.

Hey guys, just wanting to stop by here and thank all of you for your help in the long process of applying for WOFT. Your advice and expertise on the subject has proved to be quite beneficial. I I will be heading up to the board on the 18th of July. Last time I posted in here I had just finished the ASVAB, its been a long road!

Just wondering if you guys could shoot a little advice in regards to the WOFT board. To refresh things, Im a high school to flight school situation here-

-I attended a Military Academy High School and graduated this past May.
-A 121 GT
-A 138 AFAST
-Some hot LORS
-Class 1A Flight Physical passed

Lastly, if anyone knows if I need to have a PT test administered in order to put in my packet, I'd greatly appreciate the heads up?

Your help is greatly appreciated guys, It's awesome to see ya helping individuals get to where you are!

Hello forum members. Thank you for some very interesting reading. It's awesome to have access to the real deal.

Here is my very humble background:

E-5 w/ 9 yrs Active Air Force
"Heavies" Flight Engineer
Prior Radar Air Traffic Controller
Prior F-15 Crew Chief (including E models)
2 yrs of college
0 Pilot Experience

Here is my question:

Are there major differences one could expect career-wise between airframes? Also, do many WOs cross over to fixed wing? I'm looking for the skinny...if it is available (am i that obvious?)

This sounds like a tremendous opportunity with an equal amount of responsibility.

I appreciate any information u could offer.
Thank You

Ok, not going to ask these questions because i know they have to be on here. Any direction to finding the forums for my answers is great, been looking for an hour or two and having trouble.
1)info on WOCS, just about what to expect from soldiers that have attended recently
2)whatever time lines anyone can give on all the courses and phases. I will be attending 64D AQC.

thankyou for any help.

I found the following doing research.

"a documented instance of the use, sale, transfer, possession, or manufacture of any narcotic or other controlled substance or dangerous drug as defined by 21 USC 801, et seq, is disqualifying. A documented instance includes conviction by any courts martial or any civilian court. Convictions include juvenile adjudication, non judicial punishment under Article 15, UCMJ, or voluntary confession after proper rights warning according to Article 31(b), UCMJ."

My recruiter is submitting an exception to policy for a juvenile MJ intent and distribution charge that I got almost 15 years ago. She said that I qualify for the exception because since then I have 2 associates and a bachelors degree. I graduated Magna *** Laude with a 3.6 GPA. I was in 3 different honor societies and was a vice president in one. I also got student of the year and month as well as getting on several presidents and deans honor rolls. I also volunteered alot in the local and internation community. I have a LOR from a retired Lt. Col that taught fixed and rotary at Ruckers as well as another LOR from a Lt. pilot from the Navy.

My question is if I get the exception to policy, will I still be disqualified for my juvenile charge from the WOFT program? Or will the exception to policy and waiver help? If I am still DQ'd, is there another way that I can get in? I noticed that the same DQ applies for alot of MOS's in aviation. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. I should get my exception to policy this week and am wondering what I should do if I get it.

Your ETP needs to address everything criminal that you have done. That way, if it is approved, it is a "blanket exception" where your criminal record is concerned. However, DO NOT be surprised if the powers that be make you do an ETP for each charge. Be prepared for that.

That being said....time to be real:

I don't see how having any kind of degree, or being Magna, Suma, etc., and vice president of anything is going to help you get an ETP.

The fact is that you did it, and you are having to pay for it (again). If you are DQ'd here then you might be able to try getting a regular commission and taking your chances that way. However, the same questions will come up when/if you try that route and you will have to go through the same process all over again.

If you don't get the ETP, which, again, I don't see why they would give it to you when there are literally 1000's of others out there who don't need one, I think you are dead in the water.

What are the highest AFAST/FAST scores that any of you know of someone receiving?

Is a pt test necessary as part of the ad civilian woft packet? I haven't seen that it is at the usawocc, usarec, and rucker aviation proponency pages, however, for the national guard it is required along with a passing afast score to be able to move on to the flight physical since the guard pays for that and they don't want to have it done for someone not otherwise qualified.

For those of you who have been selected for flight school, what has been the amount of time between the point at which you were selected and the point at which wocs began/begins (please specify active duty or guard/reserve)?

176 is the highest score attainable on the AFAST.

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...for the national guard it is required along with a passing afast score to be able to move on to the flight physical since the guard pays for that and they don't want to have it done for someone not otherwise qualified....

In my guard unit, I didn't have a PT test before taking the flight physical. It must depend on the unit.

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I don't see how having any kind of degree, or being Magna, Suma, etc., and vice president of anything is going to help you get an ETP.

Army policy states that an exception to policy is made to a a person on a whole. The amount of time and accomplishments made after a non waiverable offense are all taken into account.

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If you are DQ'd here then you might be able to try getting a regular commission and taking your chances that way.

Is it easier to get selected for OCS than a warrant officer?

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If you don't get the ETP, which, again, I don't see why they would give it to you when there are literally 1000's of others out there who don't need one, I think you are dead in the water.

The ETP I am waiting for is from USAREC and is to be able to process for the Army. Would I need to get another ETP for my packet for WOFT or OCS?

IMHO, it certainly is easier to get picked up for OCS right now than it is for WOFT. OCS selection numbers are somewhere in the 90% range. However, take that route, only after you tried everything else.

Is the ETP stuff you are referring to just to be able to enlist? If so, then you might have a 50/50 shot of getting in. You will need to ask for a Moral Waiver when you put in for WOFT and RARELY, like I said before, are those approved simply because there are a ton of others out there who are applying who don't need a waiver. Unless, of course, you have a REALLY good reason and something to offer the Army. In which case, you are going to have to sit down and truly whore yourself out to the Army in order to get the WOFT board to pick you up.

Not to be a naysayer, because you will never know unless you try, but if you need a waiver just to enlist, and are going up against thousands of others who don't need a waiver, the cards are just stacked against you. It isn't be being a jerk, it is the truth.

On the flip side though, you may have a lot to bring to the Army, I don't know. This may be the perfect opportunity to show the boards that you are serious about joining and will literally do whatever it takes to get in. Capitalize on that as best you can and see what that does for you. You may just get lucky.

WOC E.

P.S TRY THE GUARD!

Thank you for the info.

I know have alot to give the Army and I will not take no for an answer. I have tried the Guard and can get into OCS with no problem because of the sunset rule and my charges being 15 years ago. I'm not sure of WOFT because I didn't inquire about that. However, I want active duty.

What would be the chances of getting in with a congressional inquiry?