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Sent. Subject: WOFT Questions.
 
Posts: 1508 | Registered: Tue 10 January 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete Message
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hey trafficmp can you hit me up on the email as well. ctkmkennedy@yahoo.com

AD guy going blue2green looking for some solid information.

when you hit me up I will give you my DSN--to demonstrate I am legit and not here to waste anyones time, gracias :-)
 
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yep, I will hit you up in the morning!
 
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This is what you wrote:
"Here is one thing that you need to lean, my friend. First impressions, especially in your case, mean EVERYTHING.

The only thing that I walked away from with after reading your post was the fact that you went to various places in the hopes of being laid and you probably sound like a tool if you speak in any manner resembling your fantastic typing skills. Why did that stick out? Perhaps it was because it was probably the most immature thing that I have read on this board since the moronic discussions with Loop3d, and tentpole.

Ask yourself, would you REALLY say what you wrote in front of a Senior Warrant Officer whom you were asking to write a letter of recommendation for you? Hell no! A lot of these guys on probably would have helped, but now think that you are a punk kid who just wants to fly helo's, flaunt the fact you are a flier (notice I did not say aviator), and get laid.

If you want to do all the strutting, c0ck waving, and Hollywood Hero bull$hit, go join the Navy. I hear their pilots are looking to get laid too. Who knows, you might just find yourself a "stick buddy."

That being said...

Your scores look fine. Do the legwork and search every damn thread on this forum for the answer to your questions because they are here. With regard to shortcomings in your packet, a good Letter of Recommendation and a solid track record of responsibility will go far.

WOC E."

I respect brutal honesty above many things however, I think that ripping my *** anew in a public forum is more than reproachable, it was down right mean. In fact, one of the things I got from your letter was that you make haste when it comes to tearing people down when you can and that you get some type of power trip because of it. That's why I took time to think about a reply. But since neither one of us are qualified to psychoanalyze one another, maybe we can learn from each other instead. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I want to be a hollywood hero or a **** waver or anything like that. Fact is, I really never had any problems gettin' the ladies but the confines of that situation made it very hard to get any on a regular basis. Also, that was my past. I knew I needed to grow up at that time that's why I traveled and learned. I spent most of that time studying religions and meeting lots of people. There are lots of 18 year olds that don't know their *** from a hole in the ground. I was one of them. I was hoping I could get some mentorship from someone who could relate and someone who knows thier business. That's why I gave some pertinent backround info. on me. So please tell me why you think I am one of those you so eloquently decribed me as. I need to know. I think it would be safe to recognize that we all come from different backrounds with different life experience. And since this is pretty informal, I didn't think it was going to elicit the severe admonishing that I recieved. Truly, I thought it humorous. Ever see Big Mommas house 2? Laughter is like God's hand on a troubled world. Lots of truth in that. The last thing anyone needs is a fellow service member crawling up asses with microscopes when we already have to go and kill other human beings so we can protect the ones who can really think and work it out so we won't have to bear the moral burden of taking life. (Even though they deserve it) Wink I've said my peace, now. I hope we can put this behind us and work together to make Army Aviation better.
 
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Hi I am thinking about applying for flight warrant. I am currently an active duty Armty Signal SGT with 7 years in April. 29 years old, 30 in August. I am having a hard time finding Army Aviation Officers here on island. Is there anyone out there who knows of an Army Aviation unit here on Okinawa. I believe that there is a unit on Camp Zama, which is mainland Japan. Also on the letter of reccommendation front, how many is a good number to have and from who? I keep reading about them, but have been unable to find a difinitive answer. Any info would be helpful, thanks.
 
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Glove-

You are Active Duty--you require 3 LOR's it is spelled out in the requirements of the application Wink
 
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hey trafficmp can you hit me up on the email as well. ctkmkennedy@yahoo.com

AD guy going blue2green looking for some solid information.

when you hit me up I will give you my DSN--to demonstrate I am legit and not here to waste anyones time, gracias :-)


Sent.
 
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hey fellas, hoping someone can give me some advice/insight.
Im concerned about being competitive in the street to seat process. I am 22 years old. I am married, and i have completed 21 college units. My ASVAB is ok i think, i got a 90 overall and a 120 something gt score... sorry it has been a while since i took it and i cant remember my exact gt score.
Havent taken the AFAST yet, but feel confident in my ability to do well on it. Took a practice test and the only sections i missed any on were the helicopter knowledge and the mechanical section. LORs from a retired navy top gun instructor/academy graduate. A current Air Force Captain F-16 pilot. A 2nd LT in the army. Looking to get one from a congressman in my district. Also having trouble finding a current WO aviator in San Diego to maybe speak with me and possibly give me an LOR. The last one will be from my college basketball coach. I am striving for a 300 on the APFT. My only fears are my college GPA, which is a 2.1 due to my screwing around and not dropping classes in time (3 Fs)... and the fact that i have a GED instead of a high school diploma... any suggestions on what i can do to improve my chances? thanks for your help.
 
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hey bud, im in SD also (I live right by the airport) and trying to find a WO to get a LOR from. If I do, I'll let you know. Please let me know if you find one first Smile
 
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i certainly will... and i read in another thread you were having issues with your recruiter, if that is the case, i can set you up with a recruiter who really knows his stuff if you would like... great track record with WOs.
 
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which recruiting station are you going to? I've been to both Escondido and San Diego
 
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Vista... email me me if you wanna know anything else... Braddmcc418@hotmail.com... happy to help if i can
 
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The Army has an requirement to train between 1,000-1,200 helicopter pilots annually. Approximatey half of those slots are filled by Warrant Officers and the remaining slots filled by Lts (O-1 & O-2).

With only a high school diploma or a GED with 15 college credits, you can qualify for helicopter flight school and a Warrant Officer appointment thru the Warrant Officer Flight Training program. The Army's WOFT program has been in existance since the 1950s. 92% of the Army's aircraft are helicopters and they do have a number of small executive jets/turbo prop aircraft in their fleet. As a Warrant Officer pilot, you're able to fly fixed wing aircraft as well during your career but, you must start out initially in helos.

Once being selected for this program under a written guaranteed contract, you may or may not be required to attend a 4 week course for prior service personnel called the Warrior Transition Course (WTC). After completing WTC if required, you'll then attend Warrant Officer Candidate School (WOCS) for 6 weeks. Upon successful completion of WOCS, you receive your Warrant Officer appointment as a WO-1 and then start Warrant Officer Flight Training (WOFT) where the washout rate is LESS than 10%. No enlistment bonus sorry but you'll be an Army Officer after only 6-10 weeks in the Army and that should count for something. WOCS and WOFT are conducted at Ft Rucker Alabama, the home of Army Aviation. The most difficult part of the WOFT program is being SELECTED. Like the TV commercial says, even a Cave Man can do it when it comes to flight training.

The Army has Warrant Officer pilots as young as 19/20 yrs old flying the friendly skies and defending freedom in far away places like Iraq, Afganistan, Bosnia and South Korea.

The total ACTIVE duty commitment will be approximately 7-7.5 years (six year commitment after completing WOFT). This program is also available in the Army Reserves and Army National Guard if you wish to serve as a part time soldier and pilot. The Army is the only service that does not require any college credits at all to be a Warrant Officer and pilot if you're a high school graduate.

By the way, for any interested readers out there do take note, you can enlist for the WOFT program specifically as a civilian WITHOUT any PRIOR military or flying experience. Don't let an Army recruiter convince you otherwise. Enlisted experience is NOT a requirement but is an added plus on the selection board in your case.

Selection requires good health/vision, vision can be corrected by surgery at your expense, American citizenship, good test scores, letters of recommendation, and haven't reached your 33rd birthday without a wavier. A great program that has been in existence for over 50 yrs. Very, very competitive since college is not a requirement but obtainable if that's your desire. If you feel you have leadership qualities, a strong desire to be an aviator/officer and want to be tested, the WOFT program just may be what the doctor ordered.

In Army aviation, your missions vary from delivering troops/supplies, reconnaissance, possibly saving lives as a Med evac pilot, or just blowing things up in protecting your soldiers in flying the AH-64 Apache.

Officers earn their pay when leading troops in harm's way and your chances of going to Iraq as a helo pilot is higher than 90%. In fact, it's almost damn near automatic if you elect to go active duty. This program is not for the faint of heart. People's lives will be literally in your hands. If you want that responsibility where soldiers count on YOU for their safety, try ARMY Aviation in the pilot seat as a high school grad.
 
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that says the wash out rate is less than 10%, does anybody know how accurate that is?
 
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Hi all,

First, thanks to all those who've been posting here. There's a lot of good info and I'm very appreciative of it.

I have a few questions that I haven't seen come up (not directly, anyway).

How is the AFAST scored? I was under the impression (from ARCO) that the test is 200 questions, but only 100 of them are "real" questions (the rest being background and psychological screening). That led me to believe that the max score is 100, but I've seen several applicants posting that they've scored higher.

When is the PFT done? Is it during the physical and it's then part of the package? I thought it would be after selection, but I've seen people posting their scores from what appears to be prior to selection. No, I'm not worried, I'm just looking for what to expect.

What is the board like? What sorts of questions do they ask? Reading name tags and appropriate responses are great tips, but how does one address board members? Specifically, how does one address a Warrant? If CWO4 Jones is on the board, is "sir" good enough? Is it "Chief?" "Chief Warrant Officer Four Jones?"

Does prior service count towards the age limit? See below.

Thanks in advance and good luck to all candidates. I hope to join you soon.

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I wanted to leave this out, but it seems as if it is the expected thing to do.

I'm 32, with 6 years prior service as a Navy Nuke. I've been out for 6 years. I just re-took the ASVAB and scored a 98, but I'm not sure of my GT. I haven't taken the AFAST yet, but I'm not worried because I have my commercial, instrument and CFI, all in rotorcraft. I have a 2 year degree with a 3.75 GPA and national honor society.

Any opinions, feedback, etc, would be appreciated. Thanks again.

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Hi all,

First, thanks to all those who've been posting here. There's a lot of good info and I'm very appreciative of it.

I have a few questions that I haven't seen come up (not directly, anyway).

How is the AFAST scored? I was under the impression (from ARCO) that the test is 200 questions, but only 100 of them are "real" questions (the rest being background and psychological screening). That led me to believe that the max score is 100, but I've seen several applicants posting that they've scored higher.

I've seen scores in the 130-140 range, so its correct that 100 is not the max score. I dont know how its graded though.
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When is the PFT done? Is it during the physical and it's then part of the package? I thought it would be after selection, but I've seen people posting their scores from what appears to be prior to selection. No, I'm not worried, I'm just looking for what to expect.

The PT score card is required for the packet. Your recruiter should be able to conduct a PT test for you.
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What is the board like? What sorts of questions do they ask? Reading name tags and appropriate responses are great tips, but how does one address board members? Specifically, how does one address a Warrant? If CWO4 Jones is on the board, is "sir" good enough? Is it "Chief?" "Chief Warrant Officer Four Jones?"

Your board will probably be regular officers, most likely a handful of captains, possible major or lt col. I haven't heard of a warrant officer on a selection board but I suppose it could happen. Do not call them Chief. When referring to them when speaking to someone else, it would be Mister Jones. When speaking directly, you can say "sir".
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Does prior service count towards the age limit? See below.

With your experience and qualifications, you should have no problem getting an age waiver.
 
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Thanks for the head's up. I hope my qualifications are enough. As has been said, why go with the guy with baggage when there are others without? I had a foreclosure several years ago. I've since gone to re-pay another debt and haven't had much luck finding anyone who wants the money due to statue of limitations expiration. My qualifications are the best I can do to down-play my negatives. No, I don't think it's enough, but I still have to try. And because I've been going to one school or another (flight, college) over the last several years, getting LORs has been an issue. Nothing worth having every comes easily.
 
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i am a marine aircrewman still in the pipeline and i had a question on becoming a warrent officer and flying helos and fixed wing. I just got done with SERE school today and during the course (in the "Victor" hut) i was talking to a chief warrent officer in the army that flys chinooks, been in around 18 years, that started flight school after being in 3 yrs. He was telling me that now you can enlist in the army and put in a package or something that lets you go straight to warrent officer school and start your carrer flying. He gave me a website, but i forgot it since well i had no paper and we went in to resistence phase 1 hour later. I was wondering if that is offered in the marine corps at all or what they can do to switch over or w.e. He said that you can with an additional 6 year agreement. Any info is appreciated.
 
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Oh. My. God.

Who is going to take this one?
 
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Heh, I'm passing this one to you, traffic. Wink
 
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