trafficmp:

Do you know if one HAS to be a Warrant Officer to be a MTP?

I ask because I plan on getting my private helo license if/whenever I get a chance. Would I need to go through WOCS and IERW to be a MTP? Or could a senior enlistedman get that slot? Either way I plan on going Warrant eventually (likely Maint. Warrant)

Yes, talk about ambitious...

Matt

Yep or be an RLO. Our maintenance company commander is an MTP. You can be a walking warrant..seen them in Tech Supply, maybe PC but I'm not sure.

ok you could be a maint tech without being a flight warrant. MTP is a pilot slot. Maint Techs go to a different version of the MTP course that is way more indepth and has to deal with all aircraft while a MTP goes to their aircraft's course.

I think Maint Tech is MOS 150A in the Warrant World.

But yep, HAVE to be a flyer to get the MTP slot.

Private rotorcraft? You have the money for that??? Jesus, dude, that is like 10 grand! Why not get your fixed wing private then do the rotorcraft add on...it would be cheaper.

Word of advice...I don't recommend going to a school that has Robbies (r-22). Fine one that has Schweizers...they are a little more stable, don't have a per-seat weight limit, and in my opinion are much more fun to fly.

Plus, you will be hard pressed to find to a school that will actually RENT you a helicopter. Most of them are for training purposes only. Also, any flight experience will help. I have minimal rotor time (about 5 hours) but a TON of fixed wing time. Its all about the environment. You will need to be familiar with working airspace procedures and as a Private Rotorcraft pilot, you won't get much of that in the way of experience. As a fixed wing guy you get TONS!

Eric

151A was the Tech warrant, but there were a couple of changes for FY07 so it may have changed.

I must thank everyone for you support I have passed the bn board with flying colors. The USAREC board will review my packet on the 6th and I will know by the 7th. There are only a couple of things I need to do to make my packet even stronger. I also need to finish up my flight physical. But however I'm stoked. This forum was a hugh help getting me this far and I believe it will still be an asset until I graduate flight school. Thanks Again!

trafficmp:

Yeah learning to fly helis in the civilian world is expensive. When I was forced to stop flying in April 2005 (run off the road on the way home from a flying lesson), instruction was about $300/hr.

I have managed to log about 8 hours of dual instruction, almost all of which I was on the controls for most of the instruction hours.

If I get a chance to, I'm going to see about using the GI Bill to pay for completing my PPL(H). Don't know when that might be, though.

Right now I'm just concentrating on getting prepared for BCT (and passing it). 6 days and a wake-up...

Matt

I go through this question a bunch with the military guys at Lewis and McChord. DIRECT FROM THE VA: Your GI BILL will not cover your PPL. It is only authorized for advanced ratings, and will pay 60% of the approved costs. The school has to be teaching you under FAA Part 141. Sorry dude.

GO get the fixed wing license first. Then do the add-on. ITS CHEAPER!

Isn't it nice to have a civilian CFI on here to tell you these things???

Hey guys, I was wondering if I could get some advice. I really want to get into the WOFT program, more than anything. I submitted my flight packet last year but it was not chosen. Now, I've been considering reapplying, but given the 2-application limit im hesitant to try again without some sort of modification. As for why I was not picked up, that is still a mystery to me. My recruiter told me there is no way of finding out. I've since moved to a new recruiting station, and they say that that information is bunk and you can most certainly find the reason behind not getting picked up.

In any event, im just not sure what part of my packet procluded my admittance. I got a 97 on the ASVAB (not sure on the exact GT, definatly over the 110 min), 111 on the AFAST, did just fine during the interview with the officers, had a 3.1GPA in high school and have a 3.4GPA in college (have about 20 credits so far), and everything else with my packet was in order as far as I can tell (letters of reccomendation, forms, "why I want to be an army aviator", etc.). My new recruiter guessed that it could be because I was not given some sort of speech test during my flight physical (apperantly you have to read some tounge twister in a given amount of time?). But if this was the case, wouldn't my packet have gotten kicked back before it was sent to the board? Other then that, my only theory is my lack of flight experience. However that doesn't seemed to have prevented other packets I've heard of getting accepted.

In any event, I'm pleading for the collective wisdom of the community. Like I said, I know what I want to do, and it is to be an Army aviator. I have no problem with being patient to get there (I first went in to tell my first recruiter that I wanted to apply for the WOFT program 11 months ago). Please please please... help!

2-application limit? That's a new one on me.

Is that not the case?

Nope, you got bad info. After not being selected twice, you have to update packet info, etc. Sucks, but doesn't mean you can't keep re applying.

On the USAREC Warrant homepage, click on the drop down box titled "Warrant Officer Recruiting Site Quick Links" and scroll down to "Re-application Instructions for non-select twice".

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/

it is a two look limit at the board. NS-NQ twice and back to the bullpen to work on your swing.

Don't know about making speeches during your flight physical. But if that is the case, try something from "Hamlet." Or maybe the "Ides of March" speech from "Julius Caesar."

Seriously, the competition for this process is a month-to-month thing. Maybe on your selection boards it wasn't that you were bad, but that there were just stronger candidates that month(s).

Resubmit chum, this isn't the Death Star and you only get one shot at it.

haha, good to hear. looks like i've been operating on multiple levels of recruiter misinformation.

I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so I'll hijack this one. Does flight pay start when you get your wings, or during flight school? I'm trying to figure out if it works like submarine pay. You get sub pay when you report to the boat, not when you get your dolphins. Is this how flight pay works? thanks

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Originally posted by submariner737:
...start ACIP/flight pay

Starts when you start flying, not down the road when you earn your wings.

/r,

Thanks for the info.

Hey guys, I had another question. My recruiter is telling me that, according to the battalion flight board, my packet was not selected because of a lack of flight experience. And of course, he follows with his reccomendation that I join enlisted and try to transfer later.

Question is, could this be true? It seems like I've read of plenty of packets that got approved despite a lack of flight experience.

Also, second question, do you think that it is easier to get a flight WO spot coming from a flight related job in the army opposed to coming from a flight related job in the navy? (blue to green program). I ask because if I do need to go regular enlisted, I was considering joining the navy instead.

First, (despite what I think about qualifications) your recruiter is totally Bullsh-itting you. There is no flight experience requirement to apply or get accepted.

As to the other question pertaining to MOS qualification. A good trooper is a good trooper regardless of what you do. Having some 15 series MOS experience may help you in the manner of understanding how things work in Army aviation, and may get you more exposure to pilots and officers who will write you a good LOR, and you may know more about a particular airframe coming into WOFT, but that is about it.

Tell your recruiter to show you where flight experience is required to get accepted to WOFT.


However, it may be that you were up against some serious competition with others who had flight experience and they got picked over you.

Traffic is right, on the Warrant officer recruiting page it says that most people from other services apply for aviatior because there is no prior experience required, so your recruiter is BS'ing you.

Transfering from another service is more difficult because you have to get permission to get out of your current branch. If the job field you are in is undermanned then they will not let you out. This takes alot of time and additional paperwork. The blue to green program is designed for people getting out of the Navy at the end of their contract, what you would be doing is an interservice transfer.

There are alot of Navy that apply for this program and form what I have seen, most of the ones that get selected have come from a technical background, not from an aviation field.

My advice would be to reapply. Go through your packet with a fine tooth comb and fix anything you can find that is wrong. Make sure your resume is strong. Don't put things in your resume like "I think I would be a good candidate because.." Put I will be a good aviator because.." Sound confident, almost cocky.

If that doesn't work, you can continue to reapply or enlist. I would go into the Army (you will never ever hear that again from a Navy recruiter ) but get into something technical that shows you can be trained on hi-tech gear, after all, Warrants are supposed to be technical experts. The Navy just started a program similar to WOFT, but you have to be E5 or E6 under the age of 27 with an associates degree, and they are only going to have 15 slots per year, which is why I'm getting out.
What ever you do, don't take no for an answer, if you can't get the help you need from a recruiter, go to another one, it's your package.
Good luck.