Thank you for your quick reply! How long is your deployment? I hear that they can be anywhere from months to a year and a half. Supposedly, we are pulling most of our men out of the Middle East by December of next year...but I don't know how much truth there is behind that. How soon after AIT were you deployed?
Also, we were told that my husband did NOT have to have a security clearance for this MOS. He was pulled out of training for about 3 hours a couple weeks ago and had to go through a security interview. We are both very upset/nervous about that, because we aren't sure what they are looking for and if he doesn't get the clearance...he was told he either gets discharged or has to chose a new MOS. We are on edge like you wouldn't believe!
Are you able to take a laptop to AIT?
My husband graduates BCT Feb 24th, and reports to Eustis the 28th. At this time we aren't sure if he gets that weekend off or not between the 24th and 28th.
How are the DART teams chosen? Do you have to show interest in the team or is it just "luck" of the draw?
We are very anxious to see where we are stationed. If Carson is out, that leaves Alaska and Hawaii for our other two "top 3" choices. He told me he was just told to put 1 intercontinental base choice, and 3 outer continental choices. Alaska and Hawaii counted as outside the US, and he had to chose 1 international. He was not given a list, he just knew that I had been to England before and would know my way around outside of base. To my knowledge, it's not actually a choice, no. Im just really nervous about being stationed someplace like Korea our first station. Do you have any idea off the top of your head what the 10 places are the Chinook Mechanics are stationed? Someone forwarded me a list that included: NY, VA, SC, TX, KS, CO, WA, AK, HI, LA, CA, Italy, Germany, and South Korea.
Thanks again for all your help. Hope you were able to have a good Christmas, wherever in the sand box you had to be. God Bless, and stay safe!!
Brady and Lindsay Fisher
Please, call me Justin. I should have put that down before lol. Well deployment lenght will all depend on the unit's overall mission, the commanders, and the timeframe of the unit replacing them in country coming in. The whole 9 month deployments and 2-3 years between them thing that the Army is trying to put out there as the new standard probably wont be true for aviation, since we are one of the most used, and sought after, branches of the army, for pretty much everything. It could run from 9 months (if your replacing unit gets their early) to upwards of 15 months. the thing about longer deployments that is nice to think about is, if you are in country for longer than 365 days, every month you get a $1,000 stipend. even if you leave on the 1st or 2nd of a month after your 365 days, you get the $1000 for that month. its nice, but i still would rather be home. The word is we are pulling out, yes, but trust me, there is no way we are just leaving, we will probably be sending units here for years to come. We shall see though. Thats all up to the big wigs. The whole thing with how sson after AIT you deploy depends on which unit you get assigned to and their deployment schedule. Coming out of AIT you have no earned dwell time, so if you get there, and they are deploying the next month, your husband will go. Sucks, I know. I was lucky to have appx. 10 months after I got to Hood before I left. After a dpeloyment, or a hardship tour like korea for instance, though, you have what is called dwell time, which is BASICALLY year of time where you dont deploy, even if your new unit is deployed, or is about to deploy. You can opt out of that dwell time and go before your year is out, but that is a personal choice. there are many specifics involved with that, so i wouldnt worry about it now cause it wont be a factor until after his first deployment.
I dont have a security clearance, never had the interview. I wouldnt worry about the security clearance thing. If he doesnt get it, its no big deal. There are certain MOSs you need it for, but not for 15U. The only thing I could think about is if 160th was an option, but that wouldnt even come out until he is into AIT. That is a whole different beast I can go into some other time.
I went to AIT without my laptop, but had my wife bring it up later on. Pretty much on your time off you can do whatever. There is no internet in the barracks, but he can have it for music or games or whatever.
When I graduated BCT, I had the 4 days between graduation and reporting to Eustis. I got up there the day after graduation, was going to report in early, and a nice gentleman explained to me that although I have the option to sign in early, if i had the money to stay somewhere, DO IT, and dont sign in until I have to. So i spent 2 days hanging out around the area of VB and such, until I had to sign in. It is technically time off, yes, but there is never a time in your army career that someone isnt responsible for you, and that you dont report to somebody. They give you those 4 days to be able to have time to get there from basic. Most of the time it doesnt take very long, but then that can be family time. It's up to the individual.
DART teams are pretty much up to the unit as well. With us, we have so few people that we all are on DART. I guess if the unit was larger, I am sure they may take volunteers, but it seems that it would probably be based on experience since they would need to do the job as quickly as possible. So who really knows.
That is odd they had him choose 3 OCONUS and 1 CONUS. When I did it, and everyone else, it was 3 CONUS nad 1 OCONUS. Maybe he was mistaken? The places overseas you can go for 15U are Korea, Germany, Alaska, Hawaii, Honduras, and I have heard you can go to Egypt, but that is without spouse. I still would do that though! Korea I know you have the option of going 1 year without spouse, or 2 or 3 years with spouse. I am not sure how the others work. CONUS for Active Army you have Fort Drum, NY, Fort Hood, TX, Ford Lewis, WA, Fort Stewart (Hunter Army Airfield), GA, Fort Bragg, NC, Fort Riley, KS, and Fort Campbell, KY. There are many other Reserve and NG units around the country, like the VA, SC, CO, LA, CA un**** you mentioned. Italy we used to be at, but we arent anymore. It has been changing over the years.
hope this helps. bring on any more questions you all have!
From reading your accounts of AIT, it sounds like you actually had a good time there!
My class (24-07) had SSG Powell and SSG Dixon as our instructors. We didn't have civilian instructors; not all classes do.
Four days to report from BCT to AIT? When I graduated BCT, I and those with me had 36 hours from the morning of departure till we had to report in. Eleven of those hours were spent at Atlanta International Airport waiting for a flight.
As for A'Stan: yeah we won't be out of there anytime soon. The whole increased dwell time and shorter deployments thing doesn't apply to high-utilization MOS' like Aviation, MP, Special Forces, PsyOps, and Civil Affairs.
As for 101st, yes, 7th Batt is 159th.
Lindsey: You won't get England! The only Army personnel in England are Transportation guys (from what I've been told). A gal from a class ahead of me in AIT got Egypt as her first assignment.
As far as I know, 15U does not require a security clearance. The only reason someone in AIT would have to meet with a security investigator would be if the Army found something in a Soldier's background that needs to be explained/cleared-up. Usually it involves credit "blips." Don't worry about it a whole lot.
Good Luck to you and your husband on your new adventure.
Ok this is not as in depth as I would like to have it, but I just typed up a whole thing in response, and it didnt work, and i never copied it before i freaking sent it, so now i have to type it all over agian!
Ok, so AIT wasnt really fun or anything. It had its fun points, sure. Esp the weekends, obviously. I was definitely glad to leave when I graduated, but it was SO MUCH BETTER than BCT. It was a nice in between from BCT and real army life.
Yeah i was happy to have the extra time between basic and ait to hang with my wife, considering i hadnt seen her for 2.5 months at that point, and didnt know when she would be able to get back up there.
ok, so I hope I end up 7th Batt. I have heard not so good things about 6th Batt, namely that they are worse than here, and 4th CAB is pretty....bad. ive heard 7th Batt is pretty damn good and professional and all, though. Thats where I want to be. my ERB says projected 0101AVAVN replacement, but I am not sure if that is for the whole post, or what. before I went to hood it just said 0404AVBTN, which was 404th (AVIM). I ended up 2-4 (AVUM) once I went through replacement and got to brigade to check in. so i guess it could always change.
I NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO EGYPT! I WANT TO GO SO BAD!
I am not sure what to say about the security clearance. I mena, i had bad credit (about a 350-400 credit score) when I went through and i never got pulled aside. who knows what the deal is. hopefully it all goes well. but there should be no chance of him not keeping his MOS. The things that would get him kicked out or whatever should have been found before he ever joined. so i wouldnt worry too much Lindsay.
Matt, how the heck do PMs work on here? I have tried to send you one, but it wont let me. I had a few questions about Campbell and such. or should i throw my e-mail up real quick for you to get?
Justin and Matt...
I don't know what the deal is with the Security Clearance deal either. All I know is, about 2 weeks before he came home on Christmas Exodous, he was pulled from the Combat Lifesaver Testing review and interviewed for about 3 hours by some guy in a suit who flashed a badge. The guy told him that he had to have a SC for his MOS, and was even mad at his recruiter for not telling us....to a point he asked who his recruit was and where he was from as well as the name of the Station Commander because he had to turn them in. He went through our entire credit report and had Brady explain everything (our credit is bad too). He finished the interview by telling him that most likely we wouldn't hear anything from them again...he could either randomly get pulled out of AIT and forced to chose a new MOS, get discharged, or just never hear from them again and everything would be ok. It was bizzare. My husband has zero background that would cause an issue...never taken a drug, zero police record...nothing.
As far as chosing the OCONUS and CONUS, he said he was specifically told to write 1 CONUS and 3 OCONUS. We all thought it was weird too...but thats what they told him. He wasn't even given a list....just told to write those 4 down out of his head. We sort of knew the choices for 15U, he just threw England out there! I did not know about Honduras and Egypt. I hope and pray that he does not get stationed someplace that I cannot go. We would not do well with that.
I wont get into politics here, but yeah we know that our presence in the sand box is no where near over. We had just heard most troops were getting pulled out. I had no idea how that effected deployment, if at all.
Appreciate you guys' help. Until we get our feet wet in this new life, we are walking around blindly!
When you arrive here at Ft. Campbell, you will report in to 20th Replacement Company. 20th Replacement is the Replacement unit for the entire Division. You stay there for about a week, doing PT in the morning and inprocessing stuff during the day. You will usually get cut loose by 1500 each day. If you are junior enlisted and single, you stay in the barracks. If you are married and/or senior enlisted or Officer, you live in whatever housing you have secured at that point. Also, senior NCOs and Officers pretty much just have to show up in the mornings; they aren't really forced to do anything at 20th. Anyways, at the end of the week, the Brigade/Battalion you are assigned to will come pick you up from 20th Replacement and take you to that unit to inprocess there. Once you're at your unit, life gets more "normal."
As for contacting me, I'm on Facebook. You can search for me via my name (Matt Unger) and I'm the one whose picture is in ACUs (there are two of us with the same name). Leave me a friend request with something telling me you're from here and I'll accept your request. Then you can ask all the questions you want about the AV units here at Campbell.
Talk to you soon.
I am not sure either about the SC deal. It seems really odd. That guy sounds sketchy. The guys who did it for the guys at basic were normal looking people.
Who said to put just whatever station down? it is kinda hard to make any sort of choice when you dont know what exactly you can choose! It's not like he is a hummer mechanic and can go anywhere! My bro is one, so no hate for them lol.
Sorry to say this, but you are gonna have to get used to him being gone. Hopefully the FREQUENCY wiuth which we are gone will go down in the coming years, but he will still leave. It would be better for him to go to Egypt or Honduras than Afghanistan or Iraq, that is for sure. Even if he gets stationed somewhere you cant go, it would only be for a year, and then he would get a new duty station, in the US, and would have the 1 year of dwell time guaranteed before he had to ship out for a deployment again.
And yeah, troops are moving out, but there are still many missions for aviation, and that wont stop. Plus, just look what is happening in the rest of the world i.e. Korea and Iran....pretty sure we will have at least 2 more wars on our hands before the end of the decade.
It is nice to be able to help some people out. I wish I had some help when I was going through! Please always ask if you have ANY questions. Honestly, we are probably better sources than recruiters and such, being that we have been through the exact process recently.
Whatever you do, keep your head up, stay strong for him, and always support him. Trust me, coming from someone whose wife is always supportive, it is a difference maker to have a wonderful woman behind you through all of this. And you definitely seem like that kinda girl for him.
Matt: Yeah I will look you up on FB.
So how does the PTDY work there? Do you get it from 20th? Or from the unit you are assigned to? Or do you have to take it from your losing unit? I didn’t hear about it till after I had done everything at Hood, so I didn’t get to use it.
Hmm...not sure about the SC. I guess I will just have to keep you updated! Brady said that the guy who interviewed him was the same guy interviewing everyone else for SC's. He doesn't remember what the guy's badge/ID Card said his title was.
Brady said when they were in reception doing DEERS paperwork, they handed them a paper that stated "put down one CONUS base and three OCONUS bases you would like to be considered for"....and that was it. No list or further instruction.
Oh, I know I have a lot to get used to with him being gone. I would just hate for him to be stationed someplace I can't go, on top of deployments. I am ready to take on the Army life, I don't want to have to stay here...if that makes sense. I want to be part of a base where I can continue to learn and grow in my new role. Him getting a duty station where I can't be would just be a huge letdown you know?
Supporting him I can promise you, staying strong...I promise to try. I support you all, that idea doesn't stop with my husband.
Brady said he noticed you have the "sharpshooter" badge on your profile. He is really wanting to obtain that when he returns from Exodus in Jan, they begin qualifications that first week back during White Phase. He wants to know how difficult that is to be awarded? He has experience with shotguns and handguns, but thats about it.
I have tried locating you both on Facebook, but was unsucessful. There are too many of both of your names on there! Matt, I found a Matt Unger wearing ACU's and smoking in the profile pic, but it was talking about Marines instead of Army...and Justin I found an Army Justin Hamlin but he was a doctor...lol. Failing all over the place tonight!
Well, like I said, if he goes somewhere like that, it will only be a year, and then he will go to some place that wont be deploying. It is standard almost everywhere that if you have the 1 year dwell time, but they are about to dpeloy, you cant go there. It is not ALWAYS the case, some let you waive it so you can leave again, but in your case, they would probably not send him a place he would like if they were about to deploy. So sometimes, not getting your first choice of duty station has a reason behind it. Hawaii, Germany, Korea, Alaska, all those are normal to have family come. So even if he gets OCONUS, the chances of you not being able to go are very slim. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.
It is great for him that you want to be involved. You will hear plenty of stories of families that just dont work. That happens because people dont try. Not always someone individual's fault. Everyone has reasaons. Some just cant handle it and that is fine. But you seem strong like my wife, and as apprehensive as she was to start with, but trust me, once you get going, and get used to it, if you are strong, you guys will be fine.
Well that badge is updated from what I got at Basic. The ranges at basic are always fun. Its awesome to finally get out of the dang barracks and go shoot. The only thing is that some of them are close enough that they have you march there, which can suck, but sometimes they bus you there, for the farther ranges. I only got marksman when I was qualifying there, but then after I got to Hood i requalified and got sharpshooter. There is a higher level, expert, and I am 3 shots away from making that. Hoping I can get it in the next year or 2. More promotion points! But that is one downside of aviation, you hardly ever get to go to the ranges. You have to get i think it is 32-38 out of 40 to get sharpshooter. 23-31 is marksman, and 39 and 40 is expert. i may be 1 off on those, i cant remember completely. the M-16 is not at all like handguns and shotguns. even experience shooting with a rifle in the civilian world doesnt necessarily help. some people are naturals with it, some, even with experience, suck with it. One thing is for sure. By the time he gets to the range, he will feel pretty much at one with his weapon, having it everywhere, cleaning it a few times a week, or nightly after ranges. It will become part of him. Some of the things just stick with you. Hell, out here, carrying my weapon, even though i never shoot it, my hands still go in the same places. its muscle memory.
im not sure. I am the justin hamlin on facebook that has a gray shirt on and glasses on the right side, my wife on the left, myspace style pic (lol) with a large lake behind us. hopefully you find me. you too matt.
PTDY is used for securing housing at your new duty station. By regs, it is approved at the losing unit (makes no sense, as once you clear post, your losing unit doesn't "own" you anymore) but in reality, your gaining unit will grant it if they give it to you. I got PTDY when I PCSed from Bragg to Drum, but not when I PCSed from Drum to Benning, or Benning to Campbell.
You probably won't get it here at Campbell, as you will be at 20th Repo and your wife will probably be at Turner Family Lodging. I didn't wait too long for on-post housing, only like a few days. If you plan on going off-post for housing, you can do that when you get cut-loose from 20th each day. Stay out of Oak Grove, it's "shady" and there are a lot of places on the Banned Establishments List in Oak Grove.
I can't find you on FB either; lots of Justin Hamlins out there. A couple in the Army, but none with the pic you described. I found the Doctor Hamlin too!
Right, I understand what its for. They didnt tell me about it until AFTER I had my housing off post at Hood. I was a little upset. I guess when I get to 20th I will ask about it. I know my wife wont be at Turner cause we have 4 cats. We stayed at a hotel off post until we found housing when we got to Hood, so I am sure we will do that this time around as well. However, we are trying to visit Campbell on my leave time after redeployment to try and get something set up for a rental, or even to buy a house, so it is already set up when we get there. Yeah I have heard bad things about Oak Grove. What are the best places off post?
Yeah no clue what the deal is with FB. I will change my pic when I go to the MWR at lunch and let you know what I change it to. I will try and get it something unique lol.
matt and lindsey: check on FB for my pic, it is now an american flag on the left side, and a white prop plane on the right side. should be the only one at all like that.
Oh and matt, do you think you will be staying with 7th Batt when you get back from this deployment? because based on the depl. schedule for my unit now, and your unit leaving and then coming back, i think I will end up with you guys in 7th batt.
Well Justin, you must have crazy security settings on your FB profile...because I still don't find you at all!! Here is the link to mine, just friend request me when you get a chance http://www.facebook.com/home.p...ile.php?id=724170012
I am the Lindsay Fisher hugging my husband in his ACU's (this was a reunion pic) as my profile picture. Matt, if you want to add me as well please feel free!
Take care guys!
haha yeah that may be the case, and be why you guys cant find me. i will find you on there later when I am on a computer that I can get on FB on.
ok lindsay, I added you.
hey matt, are you the one on there from galesburg, Il?
oh and, dude, was SFC Aird there when you were? I think he had been there 10 years when I was there, so im sure he probably was, unless you were in Hco
DS Aird... Hahahahahahaha!
"Now Soooolllllllldiers... When you are released from this formation, you will go inside the barracks. Once inside the barracks, you will sweep, and then you will mop. You will mop after you sweep. Before you mop, you will sweep and dust. If there is a horizontal surface, you will dust it." Yeah, he was there back when the hold company was HHD.
I don't know if I will remain with 7th Batt after deployment. I will be dropping my WOCS packet, and if that doesn't work out, I'm re-enlisting/re-classing in October. I love the Chinooks, but I'm tired of the job and tired of deploying every other year.
I am not from IL. My location is Ft. Campbell, KY.
Oh... IRSS installation SUCKS B@LLS! Did that for 12 hours today!
Lindsay: Friend Request Sent.
you forgot the *in a very monotonous tone* part there lol. wow i just laughed out loud in our MWR thinking about it. wow SFC Aird. What a.....guy. hah.
ah just thought of one, from PT formation: "Now soldiers, listen UP!!! Here is what you will do. You will take your canteen, not a water bottle, not a gatorade bottle (rolling the R in gatorade of course), but a canteen and you will place it facing forward, so that I can see your name so I know who is screwing up pushups. You will align it with the top of your shoe. Not ahead oft, not behind it, not at an angle. Now, soldiers, do this now, and do it right
Dude you have to be kidding me, you are from Aberdeen? Dude I am from Southern Pines, graduated PC in 04.
HAHA yeah I told you man, it friggin sucks. IRSS can just go on and stay on....screw taking it off and ****. at least for slinging another -47 you can just leave them on or just break the rods very easily to get it to roll off. ive almost broken 3 of those rods stepping on them since ive been out here!
Yeah my goal is to get there, get to E-5 in 2yr, 3 yrs max, get BNCOC, then drop a WOCS packet for 151A
Well, NC is my "adopted" home. I've lived all over the place from Long Island NY, Arlington VA, S. Miami FL, Orlando FL, Ft. Lauderdale FL, Ft. Bragg, Ft. Drum, and now Ft. Campbell. I love the Aberdeen/Southern Pines area. Southern Pines is so quaint. It reminds me of small town America.
Your timetable is a good goal, but don't get too upset if it takes a little longer than you planned. But just keep plugging away.
I am a SSG in the US Army. I am also a Flight Engineer on the Ch-47F airframe. I would be happy to answer any questions you might have. Feel free to email me with your questions.
SSG Molver, Shaun B
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