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<Dav82nd>
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This is for all the guys and gals that had served from 1945-1991 during the longest single handed War we have been in.

I want to tell all of you that you are very appreciated by ALL Americans no matter.

So, lets talk about the situations that we have been involved in.

Actually there are alot more things that people out there dont even know about. Wink
 
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Lets all have a slaute for Dav82nd.
 
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No need for that....I'm just like everybody else. Just want to talk to the Vets like myself...Old or Young, we're all brothers. Wink
 
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Pardon me for being somewhat cynical. I promise my intentions are sincere.

Although I qualify as a Cold War Veteran, isn't my contributions inconsequential compared to those of other war veterans?

I was an outside worker through two bitter cold winters in the woods of Germany, but maybe our duty was easy compared to the accomplishments of other vets.
 
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Originally posted by scpd3045:
Pardon me for being somewhat cynical. I promise my intentions are sincere.

Although I qualify as a Cold War Veteran, isn't my contributions inconsequential compared to those of other war veterans?

I was an outside worker through two bitter cold winters in the woods of Germany, but maybe our duty was easy compared to the accomplishments of other vets.


Posting as a regular poster here......

Why would you say or think something like that?

Your profile says you were a K-9 handler for security police. Did you pull any security?

You know that one of the biggest single contributors to the Armed Forces of today are families of veterans?

Think about that.
 
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I think a great number of us guys (and gals) that spent our time on the fence have this terrible guilt within us of somehow not doing enough. I enlisted Feb '70 to 73 - Armor. I spent a year at Ft. Knox training, permanent party as a Sgt/TC with E Troop 15th Cav 194 Armor Bde, then Assistant Drill Sgt, Delta Troop, 5th Recon, 2nd Trng Bn. I was levied to Viet Nam 1971, but because of Nixon's draw down, was re-routed with 199 others to Germany, once I reached Ft. Lewis. I watched a slug of my buddies get on Tiger Airlines and fly away. And a bunch of them got killed.

I ended up in the Fulda gap as a Recon track commander, and finally as the TC on an M-60A1 dozer tank. I saw my share of freezing cold duty on the fence, and at places like Hohensfeld, Wildflicken, Graffenwohr - - but to this day, despite the danger of all those mid-night alerts, and the fear of being over-run by the Russians because we didn't have any ammo aboard, I can't call myself a "Viet Nam Era Veteran" without cringing. Even trying to type this makes me want to erase it all and forget it. I lost six high school classmates. That's why I enlisted. Guys I trained with went and died. Certainly kids I trained went and died. A month before I left the States, one of my Basic Training mates came out of an elevator at Ireland Army Hospital, Ft Knox as I went in to go up stairs to see my wife and new son. The guy was in a wheel chair. He'd jumped out of a helicopter in Viet Nam, landed on a mine, and lost both legs already, and I was still in the States just training people - -

In Germany, I found out from a supply Sgt. I'd known at Knox, that most of the guys I'd trained with had been up around Khe Sanh, and most were dead.

I still have dreams of trying to get on that plane with them, and the reporters with their cameras taking pictures of the first soldiers diverted by Nixon won't let me get through - -

Yeh, being a cold war veteran for some is a bitter pill - -
 
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Hey Graywolfghost,
You are being abit hard on yourself. Yes being in Vietnam was combat, hardships, and scarafice.
Military service in general is hardship no matter your assignment.
Wars, conflicts, police actions, or whatever you call them are not won by the combat troop, sailor, or pilot alone.
It takes the whole team, "all of us to bring a victory".
Supply, cooks, doctors, instructors, and the fighting troop on the line make it all happen.
Everyone is valued and important even down to the basic training recruit.
You and I and everyone else are equilly important. Just as needed and valuable as my USMC cousin who faught through the jungles in Vietnam.
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I think a great number of us guys (and gals) that spent our time on the fence have this terrible guilt within us of somehow not doing enough. I enlisted Feb '70 to 73 - Armor. I spent a year at Ft. Knox training, permanent party as a Sgt/TC with E Troop 15th Cav 194 Armor Bde, then Assistant Drill Sgt, Delta Troop, 5th Recon, 2nd Trng Bn. I was levied to Viet Nam 1971, but because of Nixon's draw down, was re-routed with 199 others to Germany, once I reached Ft. Lewis. I watched a slug of my buddies get on Tiger Airlines and fly away. And a bunch of them got killed.

I ended up in the Fulda gap as a Recon track commander, and finally as the TC on an M-60A1 dozer tank. I saw my share of freezing cold duty on the fence, and at places like Hohensfeld, Wildflicken, Graffenwohr - - but to this day, despite the danger of all those mid-night alerts, and the fear of being over-run by the Russians because we didn't have any ammo aboard, I can't call myself a "Viet Nam Era Veteran" without cringing. Even trying to type this makes me want to erase it all and forget it. I lost six high school classmates. That's why I enlisted. Guys I trained with went and died. Certainly kids I trained went and died. A month before I left the States, one of my Basic Training mates came out of an elevator at Ireland Army Hospital, Ft Knox as I went in to go up stairs to see my wife and new son. The guy was in a wheel chair. He'd jumped out of a helicopter in Viet Nam, landed on a mine, and lost both legs already, and I was still in the States just training people - -

In Germany, I found out from a supply Sgt. I'd known at Knox, that most of the guys I'd trained with had been up around Khe Sanh, and most were dead.

I still have dreams of trying to get on that plane with them, and the reporters with their cameras taking pictures of the first soldiers diverted by Nixon won't let me get through - -

Yeh, being a cold war veteran for some is a bitter pill - -



I have to agree with Bullhunter, though you didn't go, doesn't mean you didn't do your part.

Just remember, God decides who's going and who is staying....thats all that matters.

Everyday I wish I could be over there with those young Men and Women that are serving in the Desert....and it gbugs me. I even thought about re-uping, but I already seved my time in the Desert once already and I have a new group of individuals that are counting on me....my kids... Big Grin

Your one of my hero's.....believe me, I look up to all of you that had served....period.

Thankyou for your service and don't be ashamed, brother.... Big Grin
 
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I can relate. I have always had some sort of generic guilt for missing Viet Nam (or any other war, for that matter). I went nuts when OIF started and they told me I was too old. Now I think maybe they were right.
 
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Me too. I went Active 1990-93 hoping to get in on Desert Storm, but I'd changed services to Air Force, and my Squadron wasn't sent. By 2000, I'd slowed down enough, along with world events, that I decided to retire - and then those damned planes hit the buildings. I offered to re-activate again, but it was "Thanks but no thanks, Grandpa", so I missed every shootin' match from 1968 to the present by simply being in the wrong place at wrong time - - so it goes - -
 
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Erich, I don't know what you're speaking of. No one here mentioned relationships of veterans
families. I suggested my service as a cold war veteran doesn't match that of other war vets.

I pulled fence security for 4 years. Some of the nuclear weapons bunkers we guarded were empty. Two or three times a year someone would sneak up on us trying to catch someone sleeping.
 
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Erich, I don't know what you're speaking of. No one here mentioned relationships of veterans
families. I suggested my service as a cold war veteran doesn't match that of other war vets.

I pulled fence security for 4 years. Some of the nuclear weapons bunkers we guarded were empty. Two or three times a year someone would sneak up on us trying to catch someone sleeping.



Yeah, but that is typical mind games, we all have seen that...lol Applause
 
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Maybe it's me gentlemen but, I'm lost with this post-to many years of working midnights and eating cheeseburgers.

I'm as capable of understanding this as a 1 legged man winning an azz kicking contest.

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I suggested my service as a cold war veteran doesn't match that of other war vets.


Thats what I was trying to disagree with.

I was lucky and I was able to ask the people I know that stayed in the Army for Desert Storm what they would think if I left college in my last semester and joined the Army again. Everyone I asked that knew me before I ETS'd thought it was a stupid idea.

They stated it was up to me ultimately but if they were in my shoes they would not do it.

Some of the complaining or put downs you hear about the Cold War is just complaining. If there was no Cold War, it would be the weather, if it wasn't the weather it would be who is in the White House. I don't pay any attention to any of it and it really does not bother me.

Some of the people in my estimation joined to go chasing a war and are bitter that what they got was far beyond their expectations or what the recruiter told them. Others got screwed with stop-loss or multiple tours almost back to back. I respect them for what they went through and for their service BUT I'm not the one that signed their enlistment contract.....and I sure as heck ain't gonna feel bad about it.

So that is where I was coming from. A lot of veterans suffer this guilt or feeling of lesser service but it is self-imposed and really the people that went off to war could care less that you feel guilty in the first place. So why feel that way?

BTW, it really does not stop, even if you went off to war with these guys. It would then become whose CIB was better or whose tour in Iraq was more difficult or had more enemy engagements, enemy fire or IED's.......you know I'm right and you must have heard that among the Vietnam Veterans at some point. I know I did. So even if you went off to war you might feel guilty of spending the entire war in Kuwait while your buddy is shooting it out in Ramadi, etc, etc.

So thats my point.
 
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