Hello, I'm from Russia.
Here is a lot of talks now that our partners in that War know it nowdays in another way than we do. Can I ask smth in order to get how people here know?

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Today many Russians believe that people in the West, as well as in Eastern Europe, don't respect the role of Soviet Union and its citizens in the common victory over fascism. Russians suppose that the USSR and its soldiers are considered to be "occupants" by the Europeans and Americans.

We'd like to prove it. Let us ask you some questions please. We shall be grateful if you could answer them.

- what do you know about World War 2?
- what do you know about the participance of the USSR and Soviet people in this war? what do you know about the consequences of World War 2 for the Soviet Union and its people?
-could you estimate the reasons and results of World War 2?

We appreciate your attention! Thank you.



I want to make this very clear.......

I understand that there are people out there that just want to talk which is fine, BUT I just want these questions to be understood and not evaluated for university students or other individuals want ing to write News papers or books.
If they want to talk to somebody on a more one-one basis that is up to them. Military.com and myself just don't want money makers in here stirring it up.

Thankyou....

Dav82nd

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- what do you know about World War 2?

WWII was a war that had to be faught and won otherwise Hitler's Nazis and the Japaneese Empire would have likely taken over the world. Without The USA, Britian, and Russian fighting as allies it's not likely victory would have been ours.
Also without the USA's industrial might and the Lend Lease program to Britian, Russia and others fighting the Nazis the Nazis would have won.
Its also noted that only one nation has ever repaid its war debt for Lend Lease and that was I believe Norway and the last payment was about 6 or 7 years ago.

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- what do you know about the participance of the USSR and Soviet people in this war?

The Soviet military faught hard and lost many troops.

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what do you know about the consequences of World War 2 for the Soviet Union and its people?

Also thousands of civilians lost thier lives also. Very awful.

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-could you estimate the reasons and results of World War 2?

The Nazis and Japan Military thought and believed they were better than the rest of the world. That they could and would take over the world. Both Germany & Japan murdered hundreds of thousands of people not including military troops.
Its not that much different than what we have today with the Islam Terrorists. This is a world war that must be won for freedom, security, and peace around the world.

Part two of your question - "results of World War 2?"
One result was that Stalin took power and became another tryant simular to Hitler. He imprisioned Eastern Europe and all of Russia. He built massive gulogs and camps. Jailed and killed millions of Eastern Europe peoples and Russion people alike. Stalin was the reason for the start of the Cold war and the Arms race. After Stalin it continued.

This is my opinion on your asked questions.
Others may agree and others may not.
Everyone views the tide of history abit different.

Anyone with knowledge of World War II history appreciates U.S.S.R.'s role. Soviet Union had millions of casualties -- more than any other nation.
We in the West believe that had President Truman & Prime Minister Churchill not "drawn the line" in Germany, U.S.S.R. would have taken Western Europe in the late 1940s.

I think the role of the Soviet Union in WWII is under-appreciated in this country. Partly because of national pride and partly because of the Cold War, a couple of generations of our children have been taught that we won the war and that simply is not true.

About half of all the people who died in that war were Russians and, while Lend Lease kept the Soviets afloat at first, by the end of the war, they were producing nearly everything they needed themselves in great quantities. But, we never heard that taught.

That's not to disparage the contribution of the United States or Great Britain or anyone else. It was a co-operative effort across the board and it's doubtful if victory could have been achieved without all the players. But, our contributions have been over-sold and the contributions of the Soviet Union under-sold in this country.

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Also thousands of civilians lost thier lives also. Very awful.

heh...more like 20ish million lost their lives.

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But, our contributions have been over-sold and the contributions of the Soviet Union under-sold in this country.

And how you you think it is taught in the USSR?

I am incompete agreement with Bull Hunter.

Today, most American universities teach that the two turning points in WWII were the Battle of Stalingrad in Europe and the Battle of Midway in the Pacific. The part the Russian people played in WWII is recognized, as is their sacrifices. There continues to be the question of whether their tremendous sacrifices were due to the decisions and policies of Stalin.

I was a GI whose outfit fought from the Normandy Beechhead (Omaha) to the Elba River in Germany. Whenever we had a few moments of down time, we would try to get news of the Russian -- the Soviet armies were on the move. I do mean on the move since they seemed to be covering territory in leaps and jumps -- hundreds of miles a day -- that seemed almost impossible for any military force. The once invincable German armies just seemed to melt away in front of the Russian advances. We GI's had nothing but admiration for the Russians during WW II.

I want everybody to look above at my comment to the topic maker. I want you all to be clear of what is being asked.

I don't want anybody to be forced into something. These Forums are for you....not, story writers.

Just letting you all know...Peace....AIRBORNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

does anyone remember stalag 2b, my dad was there from1942 1945, sincerely,suzanne trammell

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Originally posted by TanAsker:
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Today many Russians believe that people in the West, as well as in Eastern Europe, don't respect the role of Soviet Union and its citizens in the common victory over fascism. Russians suppose that the USSR and its soldiers are considered to be "occupants" by the Europeans and Americans.

We'd like to prove it. Let us ask you some questions please. We shall be grateful if you could answer them.

- what do you know about World War 2?
- what do you know about the participance of the USSR and Soviet people in this war? what do you know about the consequences of World War 2 for the Soviet Union and its people?
-could you estimate the reasons and results of World War 2?

We appreciate your attention! Thank you.

Up front, I first want to say that I have great sympathy for all the civilians and lower ranking soldiers lost on all sides during World War II...

That being said, It needs to be put on the table at the beginning that the "Non-Aggression Pact" signed between Germany and the Soviet Union was a prelude to the criminal act of invading non-aggressive Poland by both Hitler and Stalin. This criminal act would result in the deaths of over 100 million people world wide before this terrible event could be brought to an end. That Hitler then attacked Russia was predictable, since the man was an honorless murderous manic who would never honor or keep a treaty with anyone. The West tried to warn Stalin, but he would not listen, besides he wanted more of Eastern Europe than just Poland, and hoped he could get it. Thus, the terrible slaughter brought on the Russian people by Stalin's criminal attack on Poland, and the later attack by the Nazis of Russia, might be seen as an ironic example of poetic or even Divine justice...one monster being eaten by another. Could Russia have survived the battles of Stalingrad, Leningrad, and Moscow without the massive amounts of supplies ship to Archangel by the United States? I very much doubt it. At any rate, Russia did survive, and did push the Nazis back with great losses on both sides, a commendable and patriotic action on the part of the Russian people, but it was still one monster eating another. It could even be argued that the Russians actually beat the Nazis, since the gigantic battles between them and the Nazis dwarfed anything that took place in France, but Stalin's horrible occupation and suppression of East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, and other East European countries, forcing them to take on communism, simply shows how monstrous Stalin was - a Dictator of the harshest kind. Of course, one need only study what he did to his own people, murdering and imprisoning millions to more tightly establish communism at home, to learn of that. Hitler was a monster, but Stalin may be the most bloody man the world has ever seen...

I have lived among the Germans as a soldier. I have had Russian exchange students in my high school classes here in the United State. I know that, at the grass root levels, people are just good people where ever one goes on this planet, so I would never condemn the common people of any culture. The Russians certainly fought and won a major portion, as much as 2/3s, of the war in Europe; but they brought it upon themselves by worshiping a man and a philosophy that was monstrous. And they deserve as much blame for the mass suffering and slaughter of that global holocaust as they do any praise. Stalin's lust for world empire was just as hot as Hitler's, and the two devils plunged the world into hell for six horrible years. Nothing commendable about that - -

You know, that appeared to be a good idea – these questiones. People can get acquainted each other points of view.
For example, I feel likely to see that Americans know and respect our sacrifaces in WW2. For my family it was a real tragedy, that War.
At a same time, I understand now what the fellows did mean when started this discussions. They claimed to Russian Inet-chatters – let’s change to people from abroad information, let’s not to be just receivers of official Propaganda.
And, reading your types, I can say you what was told us the Soviet historians and what nobody told here: they say USSR at first suggested the collective security system in Europe in order to get Nazy Germany and Facsi Italy under control. But the West denied that and forced to support reviving of German economics instead of that. And then, in Munchen, the USA, Britain and France allowed German to eat ChezhoSlovakia – Soviet version is that they wanted the war between USSR and Germany.
So, says Soviet version further, Stalin changed his curse. Preparing to the War with Germany, he at a same time got a compromisse. Both sides understood that they are enemies in principle but dealed, each for his own purpose. Poland was the enemy for Soviets in fact, so Stalin took the western parts of Ukraine and Belarus which were under Polish rule at a same time while Hitler was ruinning the Poland itself. Stalin need a buffer-zone and in awaking the treaties from antagonistic regimes in Baltya.
He was a totalitarian ruler but he was a “real politician” .
Nowdays, while reviving “imperial” tensions in Russia with some new features, people say “Stalin’s rule was totalitarian but how it could be other way to save and develop the country in that terms”? They say: without that style we won’t be a state and won’t win the War. My grandma died in GULAG. But I probably understand what they mean. Thank God I don’t have to live that time.
I can say that whenever Hitler would be manic he couldn’t be a leader of such state without some real power behind him. And Stalin, of course, supported the communists abroad (USA support the democracy all over the world by the way), but if you remember he killed all of cosmopolitician revolutioneers who saw Russia like a gun-meat for the world-wide Revolution. Stalin composed the great powerful state with social system alternative to the Western one. And West was antagonist, whatever.
Nowdays it becomes the popular idea in Russia that all people and nations could cooperate in common wealth but some capitalists like to have all the world in their pocket and use the word “democracy” for covering their expansion.
Such ideas are popular among us since Soviet times but today they are strengthening by conclusion that some powers in the West want Russia not to be at all – Mr.Bgezinsky has a big fair in spread such view among Russians.

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Originally posted by rusoleg:
You know, that appeared to be a good idea – these questiones. People can get acquainted each other points of view.
For example, I feel likely to see that Americans know and respect our sacrifaces in WW2. For my family it was a real tragedy, that War.
At a same time, I understand now what the fellows did mean when started this discussions. They claimed to Russian Inet-chatters – let’s change to people from abroad information, let’s not to be just receivers of official Propaganda.
And, reading your types, I can say you what was told us the Soviet historians and what nobody told here: they say USSR at first suggested the collective security system in Europe in order to get Nazy Germany and Facsi Italy under control. But the West denied that and forced to support reviving of German economics instead of that. And then, in Munchen, the USA, Britain and France allowed German to eat ChezhoSlovakia – Soviet version is that they wanted the war between USSR and Germany.
So, says Soviet version further, Stalin changed his curse. Preparing to the War with Germany, he at a same time got a compromisse. Both sides understood that they are enemies in principle but dealed, each for his own purpose. Poland was the enemy for Soviets in fact, so Stalin took the western parts of Ukraine and Belarus which were under Polish rule at a same time while Hitler was ruinning the Poland itself. Stalin need a buffer-zone and in awaking the treaties from antagonistic regimes in Baltya.
He was a totalitarian ruler but he was a “real politician” .
Nowdays, while reviving “imperial” tensions in Russia with some new features, people say “Stalin’s rule was totalitarian but how it could be other way to save and develop the country in that terms”? They say: without that style we won’t be a state and won’t win the War. My grandma died in GULAG. But I probably understand what they mean. Thank God I don’t have to live that time.
I can say that whenever Hitler would be manic he couldn’t be a leader of such state without some real power behind him. And Stalin, of course, supported the communists abroad (USA support the democracy all over the world by the way), but if you remember he killed all of cosmopolitician revolutioneers who saw Russia like a gun-meat for the world-wide Revolution. Stalin composed the great powerful state with social system alternative to the Western one. And West was antagonist, whatever.
Nowdays it becomes the popular idea in Russia that all people and nations could cooperate in common wealth but some capitalists like to have all the world in their pocket and use the word “democracy” for covering their expansion.
Such ideas are popular among us since Soviet times but today they are strengthening by conclusion that some powers in the West want Russia not to be at all – Mr.Bgezinsky has a big fair in spread such view among Russians.

Moderator hat off.....

Let me make the first comment on this subject and see where it leeds.

I have to say that I do believe you in your intent....of course it is one aspect of history that shows the way that one nation teaches its history diffrently or systematically towards thier way of thinking.

This is something that has been experienced in every nation. Who wants to sit there and tell the other, that they were wrong? That is just a question that many have thought of throught-out the years.

Propaganda is propaganda....no way around it.

Now, me being born and breed in America, I have been taught that our country did what it could to exhaust and extinguish the Nazi way. We had came in to help our brothers...... France, England, Soviet Union, and...ect......

Thats what I know. And, that is how I'm going to tell my children down through the generations. I'm not out to bust anybodies chops, because everybody has thier opinion. Thats what makes this world so great.

God Bless..............