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While it's obvious something is not right here, I don't buy it all at face value.

Shockey

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Originally posted by shockey:
While it's obvious something is not right here, I don't buy it all at face value.

Shockey

There is actually a lot more to it, but the Navy is only investigating & made public allegations they have some evidence of.......

good morning all
I am terribly sad for the loss of Petty Officer 1st Class Jennifer Valdivia.

As for the e8……

Please refer to the original story. The e8 is not being forced into retirement. You are not retirement eligible until you have 20 years service. The article indicates his current contract has 3 more years. He may not serve out his current enlistment but he is not or can’t be force out prior to his 20 years.

I think his command found out what was going on. The e8 is in sanctuary (protected for retirement benefits by federal law because he has over 18 years) and his command in Bahrain was limited at what it could do in house because it didn't have court marshal authority. His command wanted to keep a lid on this so they masted him and awarded the letter of censure. This did 2 things. It allowed his transfer (e8 billet to e8) to quickly shatcan him out of there but also the mast tied the case with double jeopardy which now prevents any further action by the now fully aware big NAVY. That is why the NAVY has egg on its face.

This was NOT a case of Hazing. This was premeditated program of physical and psychological assault. This was a criminal conspiracy. The dog handling program is a small closed group. There are probably a lot of them who knew and heard of this before the suicide. They are just as guilty for their silence.

The very people charged with enforcing the law knew enough to circumvent it to cover one of their own at the cost of one of their own.

This is a black day of failure for the MA community, the CPO mess and the big NAVY in our mission to mentor, guide and teach our junior sailors.

A shameful day for all of us.

gmcm

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Please refer to the original story. The e8 is not being forced into retirement. You are not retirement eligible until you have 20 years service. The article indicates his current contract has 3 more years. He may not serve out his current enlistment but he is not or can’t be force out prior to his 20 years

Remember that these articles are not written for military members but for civilians. When it states that he is being forced into early retirement, it is most likely implying that he will not be allowed to remain in the service until 30 years. To the civilian community, retiring at 20 years, or anytime before full retirement, is early retirement.

I recall seeing the small article in the Washington Post last week on this person. As I recall it stated he was being forced into retirement - that would indicate to me he already had the minimum amount of service to retire. Seeing as the E-8 was selected from the FY07 SCPO board that may very well be the case. However, there are other articles out there and one of them may have additional details on his service history. It also said that a paygrade determination was underway.

Not that it is going to do anyone harmed by his actions any good at this point.

I just hope this joker doesn't find a way to put this behind them and find their way into a role in law enforcement/contract security as a civilian.

I'm kinda wondering where the Commissioned Officers were in this little fiefdom.
I mean for crying out loud the Navy has an Officer in Charge for every other little ****-ant job afloat and ashore, yet they see fit in their infinite wisdom to put an (e8) in charge of a semi-important job like bomb sniffing, attack, and tracking dogs and their handlers, for as I understand it, the whole Mid-east AO.
Stand-by while I put the Bravo Sierra flag 'at the dip'..
I just find it really hard to believe that the Wardroom on the island of Bahrain had no idea that something besides dog shi* smelled down at the kennels.

This by the way is in no way, shape, or form ment to excuse that (e8) for his actions.

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Originally posted by RiverRat139:
I'm kinda wondering where the Commissioned Officers were in this little fiefdom.
I mean for crying out loud the Navy has an Officer in Charge for every other little ****-ant job afloat and ashore, yet they see fit in their infinite wisdom to put an (e8) in charge of a semi-important job like bomb sniffing, attack, and tracking dogs and their handlers, for as I understand it, the whole Mid-east AO.
Stand-by while I put the Bravo Sierra flag 'at the dip'..
I just find it really hard to believe that the Wardroom on the island of Bahrain had no idea that something besides dog shi* smelled down at the kennels.

This by the way is in no way, shape, or form ment to excuse that (e8) for his actions.

I vaguely recall that his senior was a Lieutenant Colonel at another location who may not have visited the facility on Bahrain.

Guys like this give the rest of us past, present, and future that did/do/want to do an honest job a bad name.

I remember awhile back about a young boat sailor in Pearl Harbor that killed himself over a hazing issue. The problem was the command was harassing him to give names of those that had "tacked" his dolphins on. He refused and the CO and XO harassed him to no end. According to the Navy Times article if I remember correctly they had threatened him with mast if he did not give up names. So one night when he signed in as POOD he killed himself. I do not know if anyone got in trouble over it. A sad story all around.