I'm trying to find the navy instruction that defines deployment. Specifically: How many days away from home port that constitutes a deployment. Does know what instruction this information can be found in?

As per Naval Warfare Publication (NWP) 1-03.1, any unit away from homeport more than 8 weeks (56 days) is considered deployed.

You won't find it in the OPNAVINST or the BUPERS manuals.

Why do you ask? If it's about the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon, 56 days won't cut it.

I'm currently deployed to Africa. By the time I get back I'll have been away from home for over eight months. Upon my return my ship will be leaving for a one week underway followed by a month long underway two weeks later. Navy instruction says I'm not deployable for six months after my return and I'd like a little bit of down time with the family before I get back underway. My ship has been telling me that a month long underway does not count as a deployment so I will be onboard.

expect to get underway.

I thought it was 90 days away from homeport. But I could be wrong. Because if it was 8 weeks I would have a few more stars on my sea service ribbon.

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the navy never uses round numbers like 60 days!!!

I made a boo boo and changed it.

A deployment can be anywhere from 1 day to many months.

You can play the sea lawyer all you want but when the ship leaves the pier. You better be on it.

Shockey

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Originally posted by phatman89:
I'm currently deployed to Africa. By the time I get back I'll have been away from home for over eight months. Upon my return my ship will be leaving for a one week underway followed by a month long underway two weeks later. Navy instruction says I'm not deployable for six months after my return and I'd like a little bit of down time with the family before I get back underway. My ship has been telling me that a month long underway does not count as a deployment so I will be onboard.

Put in a leave chit. Also, a one week underway followed by a month long underway does not count as deployment. What I want to know is, why aren't you guys having POM leave. I could have sworn that post and pre overseas movement leave was required. Shoot, even my ship had POM, and we were a SURGE ready ship.

SAILORS belong on ships, ships belong at sea..... Deal with it.

if he is IA, is POM down time an option?


I mean DH is putting in for leave when he gets back because we have a cruise scheduled but otherwise the way he talks he would have gone right back to work.. of course he is on shore duty....

Had some friends return from an IA and their ships were scheduled to deploy for their sched. west pac/med. They had to enjoy all the underway times prior to those deployments (final work up stuff) but the actual no crap deployment they could not go on due to what NAVADMIN 06/273 states because they had not been home for 6 months. So after some leave upon return and all the other underway times prior to the deployment they were there.

So true RiverRat, and if the Navy had wanted me to have a wife they would have issued me one!!!

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Originally posted by RiverRat139:
SAILORS belong on ships, ships belong at sea..... Deal with it.

I wondered how long it was going to take for that one to come up! Nice work.

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Originally posted by hazegray1977:
So true RiverRat, and if the Navy had wanted me to have a wife they would have issued me one!!!

With an attitude like mine maybe I oughta see about joining the DVG or Dysfunctional Vets

To the OP I guess you have to deal with it. On my first boat we were getting ready for decomm. The last 14 months we were operational we had a WESTPAC and a lot of time underway. It was calcuated that we did 310 days underway in 14 months. It was called NEEDS OF THE NAVY.

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Originally posted by hazegray1977:
So true RiverRat, and if the Navy had wanted me to have a wife they would have issued me one!!!

Here, here! And if the Navy had wanted you to be able to take time off, they'd have issued it to you! Oh, wait...

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Originally posted by mpwimmer:
To the OP I guess you have to deal with it. On my first boat we were getting ready for decomm. The last 14 months we were operational we had a WESTPAC and a lot of time underway. It was calcuated that we did 310 days underway in 14 months. It was called NEEDS OF THE NAVY.

My ship had it rough, too. I was on that ship 2 years. In that two years we swapped ships (we were the JPJ crew and we swapped to become the Higgins crew), we did a WestPac, came back for a very short yard period, afterward we were at sea for 70% of the year (250 days) for the Surge readiness stuff, INSURV (my workcenter got a 98%), COMPTUEX, FIREX II and whatever else they could think of, then went on another WestPac. So, in two years we spent roughly 550 days at sea. That is about 75% of those two years haze gray and underway. A total of 7 liberty ports if you count Pearl. The other 2 were working ports and I am sure you probably know which ones those were.

Comes down to needs of the NAVY... You get back from deployment and are turned over to the Squadron. The Squadron is tasked to provide ships for missions like LEO or Law Enforcement Operations and the decision to send a ship so soon after deployment could simply be that you are READY to Get Underway.... Other Ships in the Squadron may be in a Training Cycle or Overhaul or Maintenance Period and NOT be able to get underway....

Nothing personal, but it comes down to NEEDS of the NAVY....

Getting underway may also be done to get rid of ammo or start training for Engineering Testing and Qualifications and well as Gunnery and Missile Events...

Your more likely to get some down time as you start the Maintenance Cycle but then it depends who you are on the ship... Some work 12 on 12 off during Maintenance, others spend the day waxing a passageway.... It just depends....

I agree like said above.... When they get underway you had better be on board or expect RESTRICTION to become part of your Social Life... Muster 4 times a day and spend Quality Time with a MOP and Sponge.....

$uck it up.... That is why you get $EA PAY...

AL

3 Ships 10 years of Sea Time.

FCC(SW) Retired

Whew rough crowd here... Hope he wasnt expecting anything else...hehe

The original post is rather old.

Someone has been digging deep in the files.

when i hear these crybabies, i think of the USS NEW JERSEY...late 60's/early 70's.

came back from a west-pac/GOT tour, got within SIGHT OF THE PIER and turned around and went back to west-pac. if that wasn't a kick in the NUTZ.

When I read a post like this I wonder if the responses would have been the same if he had been on an Iraq or Afghanistan Deploymenent vice the HOA Deployment.

A BOG Sailor in something most retired Sailors will never know anything about. Now days many Sailors are scared to set foot off the ship lest they find themselves being sent to where the War is! Back to back Ship tours is a good tale tale sign of crybabies in the modern Navy and it urks me to no end.

I feel for the sailor...when I get back from this IA a few months later a ship will deploy that my UIC is one of the support groups for so good chance ill be headed out on that one to(but im one of those sick individuals that likes to be gone) unless my conversion goes thru and that will just send me back to sea duty anyway. Good thing i dont much like shore duty and my wife is the type that puts up with it. Im confused though on why this sailor didnt just ask for POST IA/GSA leave as thats generally the first thing offered when you return from middle east/HOA deployments & IA's. Things that make ya go HMMMMM?

MA2(EXW)

96Romeo1989

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A BOG Sailor in something most retired Sailors will never know anything about.

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I am guessing that 'BOG' would be Boots On Ground???

'BOG' does indeed mean Boots On Ground.

Riverine Sailors of the Nam Era are the closest thing next to those Sailors of WWII who got off the ships and fought on land.

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Originally posted by 96Romeo1989:
'BOG' does indeed mean Boots On Ground.

Riverine Sailors of the Nam Era are the closest thing next to those Sailors of WWII who got off the ships and fought on land.

I'll differ with that statement.
The same things happen with the SEALs and the small boat men of today. They are all sailors and find themselves on the ground, as you put it. There are also the SEABEEs and the IAs.
Then there the corpmen that accompany the Marines.
I think you'd better think about all those people that you didn't before. They fight as hard as anyone when they have to and some don't come home standing up.

Re: The comment/comments made by 98Romeo1989...

My reply/question was in NO way shape or form ment to start a heated debate.
I've read many, many of his commets/posts, and he's ALWAYS been serious and respectful.

AND if We ALL read his origioanl comment really closely, I'm sure we'll ALL see that he said "MOST retired Sailors"***

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The quote and Upper Case typing are mine.

Hope y'all get my intended point here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We're ALL in this War/Thing TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks RiverRat139,

You understoond what I was trying to get at.

Got to have thick skin since there is always someone on here that jumps in without reading all the posts, but I've learned to expect nothing less here...

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AND if We ALL read his origioanl comment

Got to look a bit deeper Rat. He's a she according to what I can see on her profile.

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Originally posted by GerryRM3:

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AND if We ALL read his origioanl comment

Got to look a bit deeper Rat. He's a she according to what I can see on her profile.

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Ooops

That little 'Aw Shi*' just cost me all the 'Atta Boys' I've ever gotten on here.

Not that I've gotten that many of them.

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Originally posted by 96Romeo1989:
'BOG' does indeed mean Boots On Ground.

Riverine Sailors of the Nam Era are the closest thing next to those Sailors of WWII who got off the ships and fought on land.

So I guess, the few firefights I got in, don't count. Know the flavor of the kool-aid, before you jump in.

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Got to have thick skin since there is always someone on here that jumps in without reading all the posts, but I've learned to expect nothing less here...

billdawg24 makes x 2

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Originally posted by GerryRM3:

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AND if We ALL read his origioanl comment


Got to look a bit deeper Rat. He's a she according to what I can see on her profile.

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Yes, I was using the wife's account, but some mod just locked and forced verification of my account via email which could not be acessed from deployment location. Had to create an account of my own with the deployment email address for verification purposes.

Glad you cleared that up.
As for the locked account I can't see it on the admin side. No notes to that effect.

I'll stick with my statement. I'll just toss in a few things.

USS Liberty
USS Pueblo
USS Thresher
USS Scorpion
And more that most people will never hear about.

It take 95% of the people to support the 5%percent of the combatants in any theater. When I see statments made that this one or that one doesn't know what its like it ****es me off.
Everybody is out there doing the job they are assigned to do. Maybe Rat understands what your trying to say but I don't care for it. It comes up sounding like a barstool hero at the Legion.

That doesn't cut it from my perspective.

I mean no direspect for your service or what your doing but read what you put down and think about the support your getting from all the services and people in them. It demeans them and thats what I don't care for.

OK I am going to clarify. Right now In the Navy - I can not count the number of times I have heard Sailors tell me they are staying on Back to Back Ship tours due to the announcement that the natural rotation for certain rates is Sea Duty > Shore Duty > IA / GSA Duty. I am sure everyone agrees that Port Visits are better than being shot at.

When I hear Sailors say during 'War Time' that being a BOG Sailor "is not their job or what they signed up for" That doesn't cut it with me.

What Rat understood was, that I was trying to convey that many Retirees will never understand this mentality that is currently circulating throughout the Navy.

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When I hear Sailors say during 'War Time' that being a BOG Sailor "is not their job or what they signed up for" That doesn't cut it with me.

We agree on that,and you see it here on the forums, especially on the Joining forums. Those idiots don't usually come back here after they tell us they only want the benifits. Gets quite lively on some of the responses and rightfully so.

I never have pinpointed where the attitudes come from but I can tell you from my perspective it started with Zumwalt and got worse from there.

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Originally posted by mpwimmer:
Someone has been digging deep in the files.

Yes, that was ME

Was looking back in some very old posts and as a Retired Chief decided to make a comment...

Good Point about the BOG option.... Never had to deal with that.

Remember the Negative stir a Navy Times Cartoon had in 91 with 3 Squids playing cards with soda and asking to turn down the AC.... The picture next to it showed 3 guys in the desert with bottled water....

I thought the joke was a great disservice to the troops on the ground.

AL