For the above.....?
Interesting Boats, Thanks!!!... Boy this thread has been a great education in Navy history...
But just a little factoid, the above symbol is used by the Army to designate the Army's Finance Branch. (As is) as shown above for Finance Branch officers, but with a smaller symbol, backed by a brass disc for enlisted..
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Engineman still around? "A" and "C" schools for Engineman were around in the early 60's, are they gone as well?
Yes it was Hockey. My dad was a CS during the 50's. He joined the reserves in the 70's and retired as a MSCS. He also told me what CS was back in his day. Too bad I cannot say it here.
COMMISSARYMAN(CS)before merging with STEWARD in 1975 to form MS.
The early name was Commissary Steward, and was only a CPO rate. Ships Cook or Baker for 1st,2nd,3rd class.
Stewards for Chief.1st,2nd,3rd.
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Yup! EN's are still around.
I sat next to one off the USS Carney DDG 64 at a Navy League luncheon last week.
A Bravo Zulu to both Master's Mate and Boats BM1!
I had that rating badge with me on a trip to the Academy, and they took almost two hours to identify the rating (SMM indeed, my typing irrer) but no-one knew what the symbol meant. Iron clews indeed: Three cringles formed as shown to secure the boltropes of a sail and provide a sacrificial purchase for sheets that could easily be replaced at need without harming the sail structure.
We oughtta start another thread on this sort of trivia.
In 1947 the Navy was re-organizing all the ratings after WW2. Part of the project was designing new specialty marks for some of the new ratings. They asked for input from the fleet. Some of the guidelines included :
Simplicity of design - had to be easily embroidered.
Representative of the rating.
Wthstand the test of time - identified with the rating in the future.
An amazing plan, every petty officer, when wearing their rating badge, has the rating and rate represented. Not just an indicator of paygrade as the Marines, Army & Air Force. With the Navy change in service uniform and using just collar grade insignia, that recognition is becoming fuzzy, just like the CG.
If you ever take a tour of Charles Street in Boston, many of the old shops had a sign with the symbol of what they sold. The butcher, baker, tailor, etc. etc.This message has been edited. Last edited by: MastersMate,
I know what you mean VO7. I went from ADJ3 to ADJ2, then AD2 and AD1.
Now as I remember it, there were no TMOs or TMTs. That difference was only used to idicate which rating exam you would be taking. It was "not" part of your Rating title. TMC_SW_Ret, please let us know if that changed after 1992 when I retired.
AK was a good rate I worked my tail off to get rated. Then about 7 years later then navy thought why not mix winged people with non winged and just have storekeepers. I HATE being an SK and really wished they would bring back AK. Contrary to popular belief ships DON'T FLY.
The Air Farce is looking for a few good whinners...
A Storekeeper cryin the blues??? Color me confused
No River Rat, he's not a whiner. There was a big difference between AK and SK. I knew people in both ratings and each was a distinctive job with different challenges and goals.
The Navy is benefiting from all the people who were AKs because of the way the aircraft supply system works. Now mind you I was a Maintenance Control Supervisor/Chief along time ago, but I don't think the blackshoes used or use the same priority codes for ordering parts and SCIR system for availability as Aviation.
I can fully understand and appreciate his view.
Quite personally I think whoever came up with the idea to do away with the AK rating was and is an idiot.
If I've offended anyone, I'll say I'm sorry, and explain my heavy handed sense of humor by saying it was in answer the AK/SK's heavy handed comment that "ships don't fly."
Its hard for me to be Politically Correct for more then 2 or 3 hours a day, and I try to limit those hours to my nap time..
Keep speaking "in the clear" there Senior Chief..
I, if anyone really appreciate it!!!
River Rat, I'm not offended and I don't believe the young person was. I was speaking from experience having served with and having a lot of contact with AKs and SKs.
Even though the ordering of parts and items through supply eventually gets to the Supply Department, one and only, how the request gets there and who does the initial paperwork involved the AKs.
I had three AKs work for me when I worked as a Maintenance Control Supervisor. Quite a few times I had SK types give me a NIS (Not in stock) or NC (Not carried) status on items I ordered on a regular basis. If it hadn't been for my AK2 and AK1, God knows when I would have gotten my parts. The SKs by not having knowledge of the Aviation section of supply, were not going to follow up and make sure I got what I needed.
I'm not lumping SKs into one group by saying what I just did. I knew some Sierra Hotel SKs who could and would get you anything you ordered. I worked closely with an SK1 who had been a submariner, but was an aviation buff. He had the knowledge and interest to work both sides of the field, yet be a true supply type.
There was that difference there that showed the need for AK. I still think it was a stupid move doing away with it. Why didn't they keep it as a subfield that SKs could specialize in and AKs keep their billets. Now an SK can end up anywhere. I knew alot of AKs that didn't want to be blackshoes but wanted to work in the Supply field. The Navy showed a great deal of indifference to those people's wants and goals.
That has got to have had an effect on re-enlistment and retention.
So no harm done by what you posted before.
how many have switched 'rates' and/or symbols w/o switching jobs.
i entered as a GS...guided missileman.
2 yrs later, '62 they said 'you're a MT..missile tech...same 'crow'
another 2 yrs and they said change crows, you're a FTM...missile fire cont tech...same job for a few years..testing msls.
ret in 3/83 and some years later they said 'you're an FCC'.
there has got to be some idiot in DC who has nothing to do 'cept dream up this sheite.
kinda like the admiral in DC while i was at NWS seal beach...'73-'76
he kept inventory of all SUB NETS and FLOATS from WW2 stored at seal beach.
Lonny 333, Ships do fly ! they are called AIRSHIPS, (Blimps Sh** Bags)Damm Im OLD !!
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Nope. That's how I remember it too. I was a TMT (for test purposes) until they did away with ASROC, then I became a 0000, or TMO, or quad baller. It wasn't long after I made Chief that the distinction was dropped altogether and all TMs took the same test.
I had the opportunity, while still active and stationed at SURFLANT, to weigh in on some of the higher level discussions of merging the TM rating. The Forces (Surflant/Surfpac, Airlant/Airpac) wanted to keep the rating intact, and so it stayed for a few more years. Evnetually though, the bureaucrats won out and merged us. Although it was against what all of us at the Forces wanted...Surface TMs to merge with STGs and Air TMs to merge with AOs. Some azzhat in DC merged ALL TMs with GM (except of course our bubblehead brethren who were already merged with MM).
When I got graduated from Fleet Sonar School Key West FL in 55 I was an SOSN. Then I made 3rd class so was SO3. But when I got out in Auguast 56 they changed it to SOG3. When asked why the smart one said it was none of my business.
We were called SO3 not Petty Officer 3rd.
Very interesting. My signalman rate is no longer around, and from what I see many others aren't either. I'll have to check into what older rates are still around and what new ones are here because I haven't a clue.
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Some that I didn't see mentioned here are RM and SM. Now IT for radioman and QM got the signalman.
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I believe in Murrays Law, he thought Murphy was an optimist.
The SK and PC "ratings" were recently merged and now known as LS(LOGISTICS SPECIALIST)"rating", but keep the SK "rating" insignia.
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Boats, was the SH community included in that meger to LS?
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