Reid Criticizes Mormons for Prop 8

Senate majority leader Harry Reid made an unprecedented statement of opposition to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for its contributions to Proposition 8, telling a group of gay activists that he thinks the Mormon Church, which he is a member of, wasted resources and goodwill on the issue.

The statement marks a first for Reid, according to The Salt Lake Tribune . The senator faces a tough re-election battle next fall.

“Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, is the highest ranking elected official who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He previously has not commented on the flood of Mormon money and volunteers who helped propel Proposition 8 to victory in November,” reported The Salt Lake Tribune.

Reid brought up the topic with three organizers of the National Equality March during a private meeting at his office in Washington, D.C. The senator had signed a letter supporting the march.

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There are a host of reasons why I find Reid to be a poor representative of the people, but one has to wonder why he'd single out just one church. Aren't there other churches that share support for Prop 8?

Perhaps he feels qualified to speak out about this addressing the Mormon Church for that is the churche that he is a member.

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
Perhaps he feels qualified to speak out about this addressing the Mormon Church for that is the churche that he is a member.

I agree. Reid is a member of the Mormon church, and that's why I think he discusses them. Also, the Mormons contributed by far the MOST money and bussed people from Utah into California to live with other Mormon families for the sole purpose of stuffing the ballot box in their favor. IMHO, if these churches spent that 70 MILLION dollars on feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked, and generally easing human suffering instead of to bear false witness against a group of people in order to deny them their civil liberties, they would be coming much closer to acting like true disciples of Christ...

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Originally posted by badbard:

I agree. Reid is a member of the Mormon church, and that's why I think he discusses them. Also, the Mormons contributed by far the MOST money and bussed people from Utah into California to live with other Mormon families for the sole purpose of stuffing the ballot box in their favor. IMHO, if these churches spent that 70 MILLION dollars on feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked, and generally easing human suffering instead of to bear false witness against a group of people in order to deny them their civil liberties, they would be coming much closer to acting like true disciples of Christ...

I fully and totally agree.

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Originally posted by badbard:

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
Perhaps he feels qualified to speak out about this addressing the Mormon Church for that is the churche that he is a member.

I agree. Reid is a member of the Mormon church, and that's why I think he discusses them. Also, the Mormons contributed by far the MOST money and bussed people from Utah into California to live with other Mormon families for the sole purpose of stuffing the ballot box in their favor. IMHO, if these churches spent that 70 MILLION dollars on feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked, and generally easing human suffering instead of to bear false witness against a group of people in order to deny them their civil liberties, they would be coming much closer to acting like true disciples of Christ...

Well then, as a non-member of Westboro....Reid would be unqualified to criticize them?

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Originally posted by 21194237:

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Originally posted by badbard:

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:
Perhaps he feels qualified to speak out about this addressing the Mormon Church for that is the churche that he is a member.

I agree. Reid is a member of the Mormon church, and that's why I think he discusses them. Also, the Mormons contributed by far the MOST money and bussed people from Utah into California to live with other Mormon families for the sole purpose of stuffing the ballot box in their favor. IMHO, if these churches spent that 70 MILLION dollars on feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked, and generally easing human suffering instead of to bear false witness against a group of people in order to deny them their civil liberties, they would be coming much closer to acting like true disciples of Christ...

Well then, as a non-member of Westboro....Reid would be unqualified to criticize them?

Oh for pete's sake Kathy! No, Reid is perfectly qualified to criticize the westboro cult! I believe that Reid chose to criticize the Mormon church because his being a Mormon lends more weight to his criticizm to those who are *also* Mormons.

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Well then, as a non-member of Westboro....Reid would be unqualified to criticize them?

You've criticized Westboro. Are you a member of their church?

You've continually criticized gays and lesbians, yet you are not a member of that group either (even though you pose as gay). So what is your point?

Are you saying a person must be a member of a group to criticize that particular group? I can criticize Al Qaida without being a terrorist, can I not?

Perhaps the point was that Reid is better able to assess the faults and merits of his church since he (presumably) has more first-hand knowledge of his church.


That does not mean others who are not members can not criticize though.

Care ful with your ass umptions, Mr Kathy.

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Originally posted by Paul_J:

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Well then, as a non-member of Westboro....Reid would be unqualified to criticize them?

You've criticized Westboro. Are you a member of their church?

You've continually criticized gays and lesbians, yet you are not a member of that group either (even though you pose as gay). So what is your point?

Are you saying a person must be a member of a group to criticize that particular group? I can criticize Al Qaida without being a terrorist, can I not?

Perhaps the point was that Reid is better able to assess the faults and merits of his church since he (presumably) has more first-hand knowledge of his church.


That does not mean others who are not members can not criticize though.

Care ful with your ass umptions, Mr Kathy.

Well then, back to my initial point; why does ya reckon Reid limited his criticism to ONLY Mormons? Surely a church with the same faults he objects to among Mormons deserves equal time, NO?

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Originally posted by 21194237:

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Originally posted by Paul_J:

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Well then, as a non-member of Westboro....Reid would be unqualified to criticize them?

You've criticized Westboro. Are you a member of their church?

You've continually criticized gays and lesbians, yet you are not a member of that group either (even though you pose as gay). So what is your point?

Are you saying a person must be a member of a group to criticize that particular group? I can criticize Al Qaida without being a terrorist, can I not?

Perhaps the point was that Reid is better able to assess the faults and merits of his church since he (presumably) has more first-hand knowledge of his church.


That does not mean others who are not members can not criticize though.

Care ful with your ass umptions, Mr Kathy.

Well then, back to my initial point; why does ya reckon Reid limited his criticism to ONLY Mormons? Surely a church with the same faults he objects to among Mormons deserves equal time, NO?

Wow, did you not read all the answers to your question earlier? Here is one:

"Perhaps the point was that Reid is better able to assess the faults and merits of his church since he (presumably) has more first-hand knowledge of his church."

(I copied and pasted it from a few inches north.)

Try reading and comprehending this time.

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Originally posted by 21194237:

Well then, back to my initial point; why does ya reckon Reid limited his criticism to ONLY Mormons? Surely a church with the same faults he objects to among Mormons deserves equal time, NO?

If you had read the article, you would know, wouldn’t you, Sir!

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Well then, back to my initial point; why does ya reckon Reid limited his criticism to ONLY Mormons? Surely a church with the same faults he objects to among Mormons deserves equal time, NO?

You have a notably recognizable writing style. Clearly male, belonging to someone who has been banned from this forum... I recommend you not be around when the moderators figure it out.

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Originally posted by sabow:

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Well then, back to my initial point; why does ya reckon Reid limited his criticism to ONLY Mormons? Surely a church with the same faults he objects to among Mormons deserves equal time, NO?

You have a notably recognizable writing style. Clearly male, belonging to someone who has been banned from this forum... I recommend you not be around when the moderators figure it out.

Yer recommendation is duly noted. BTW, what's up with your personal concern for me? Why not stick to discussion of the thread topic? I simply opine that if one maintains a principled opposition to a matter of concern and speaks out about it, he ought to do so without singling out such a limited group. Reid is a senator with a powerful influence over many folks and casts votes in the congress that affect us all. Surely he ought to man-up and state his positions across ALL religious and non-religious boundaries. He's a senator over ALL the population of his state, is he not?

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Yer recommendation is duly noted. BTW, what’s up with your personal concern for me? Why not stick to discussion of the thread topic? I simply opine that if one maintains a principled opposition to a matter of concern and speaks out about it, he ought to do so without singling out such a limited group. Reid is a senator with a powerful influence over many folks and casts votes in the congress that affect us all. Surely he ought to man-up and state his positions across ALL religious and non-religious boundaries. He’s a senator over ALL the population of his state, is he not?

Why don’t you read the article, _sir? Pretty much anyone with more than a third grade education can figure it out from there.

Here it is, right here:
>>>http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/14/Reid_Criticizes_Mormons_for_Prop_8/

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I’ve heard of a boy named Sue, but a bloke named “Kathy”?
/me wonders if “Nancy” might be more appropriate….

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Originally posted by DaleU:

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Yer recommendation is duly noted. BTW, what’s up with your personal concern for me? Why not stick to discussion of the thread topic? I simply opine that if one maintains a principled opposition to a matter of concern and speaks out about it, he ought to do so without singling out such a limited group. Reid is a senator with a powerful influence over many folks and casts votes in the congress that affect us all. Surely he ought to man-up and state his positions across ALL religious and non-religious boundaries. He’s a senator over ALL the population of his state, is he not?

Why don’t you read the article, _sir? Pretty much anyone with more than a third grade education can figure it out from there.

Here it is, right here:
>>>http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/14/Reid_Criticizes_Mormons_for_Prop_8/

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I’ve heard of a boy named Sue, but a bloke named “Kathy”?
/me wonders if “Nancy” might be more appropriate….

Ya mean to say that....ya graduated the 3rd grade?

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Originally posted by 21194237:

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Originally posted by DaleU:

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Yer recommendation is duly noted. BTW, what’s up with your personal concern for me? Why not stick to discussion of the thread topic? I simply opine that if one maintains a principled opposition to a matter of concern and speaks out about it, he ought to do so without singling out such a limited group. Reid is a senator with a powerful influence over many folks and casts votes in the congress that affect us all. Surely he ought to man-up and state his positions across ALL religious and non-religious boundaries. He’s a senator over ALL the population of his state, is he not?

Why don’t you read the article, _sir? Pretty much anyone with more than a third grade education can figure it out from there.

Here it is, right here:
>>>http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/14/Reid_Criticizes_Mormons_for_Prop_8/

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I’ve heard of a boy named Sue, but a bloke named “Kathy”?
/me wonders if “Nancy” might be more appropriate….

Ya mean to say that....ya graduated the 3rd grade?

I read the article and I comprehended what he said & why. Apparently you can’t do the same.

You figure out my education level. Just keep in mind that it must be higher than yours, _sir!

Just so you'll know....you most likely have a great deal more education than either Ben Franklin or Will Rogers. Reckon that makes you more intelligent?

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Just so you’ll know....you most likely have a great deal more education than either Ben Franklin or Will Rogers. Reckon that makes you more intelligent?

More intelligent than either of them? I can’t say, as I’ve never met either of them. Undoubtedly on some subjects I would be, on others not.

Am I more intelligent than you have shown yourself to be on these boards? I think that goes without saying. I think my neighbor’s pet slug has proven itself more intelligent than you have; at least it doesn’t talk about things it doesn’t know anything about.

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Originally posted by DaleU:

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Originally posted by 21194237:
Just so you’ll know....you most likely have a great deal more education than either Ben Franklin or Will Rogers. Reckon that makes you more intelligent?

More intelligent than either of them? I can’t say, as I’ve never met either of them. Undoubtedly on some subjects I would be, on others not.

Am I more intelligent than you have shown yourself to be on these boards? I think that goes without saying. I think my neighbor’s pet slug has proven itself more intelligent than you have; at least it doesn’t talk about things it doesn’t know anything about.

LOL....I sure we ALL bow down to your intellect, or....lack thereof!

I'd really appreciate it if we could forego any further pizzing contest and return to the topic of this thread.

Thanks