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"I will end 'don't ask-don't tell,'" Obama said Saturday night to a standing ovation from the crowd of about 3,000 at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay civil rights advocacy group.

"My expectation is that when you look back on these years you will look back and see a time when we put a stop against discrimination ... whether in the office or the battlefield," Obama said.

-Associated Press-

Well it's certainly about time! I'm tired of all the fighting, bleeding, and dying being done by the faith based majority in the military to defend the constitutional rights of the politically correct minorities that sit at home enjoying freedom at their expense.

It's far past time to have the supporters of Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, et el, spill some blood and die in defense of what they hold so dear. I welcome the change! Maybe it's time for us Bible thumping Christians and faith based persons to come home and ride their secular coat tails for a while? I wonder how our military would look if that happened?

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I wonder how our military would look if that happened?

It would look the same as it does today and that is the point. Ending the "don't ask, don't tell" policy will not change our mission or the way we do it.

And once we get Charlie "Tax-Free Income" Rangel's draft approved, we'll all be living the egalitarian utopian dream...

Anyone taking bets it won't happen?

What we have the vocal minority are trying to force their will on the majority. I'm all for a national vote on it and let the chips fall whre they may.

Maz, we already have folks from all walks of life spilling blood.

Of course it will happen! He has kept so many of his campaign promises so far... let's see... He closed GTMO. Pulled the troops out of Iraq. Fixed the economy. Made the world love us again. If he's kept all those promises, I don't see why this one would be any different!!

He did not say when he would do it!! But knowing him and his love for the military he just might do it sooner than later. This guy caters to what ever group he is in front of..

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It would look the same as it does today and that is the point.

That is not the point if you had read the sentence just preceding the quote you posted.

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...we already have folks from all walks of life spilling blood.

I dare say if all military faith based personnel left the service tomorrow, there wouldn't be enough people left to man the sixth fleet.

Wonder if there is a connection between this and the whole McChrystal dust up?

If it does go thru I see alot of sexual harrassement charges popping up. Rules are going to have to change.

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Originally posted by USCGK9:

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I wonder how our military would look if that happened?

It would look the same as it does today and that is the point. Ending the "don't ask, don't tell" policy will not change our mission or the way we do it.

On the surface, for show..yeah maybe.

The reality is it weakens the military. no one wants to say it and certainly no one living through it can.

Oh this sounds like a great idea! When is the rest of America going to wake up to what's going on!

Just a thought...what about the people who are not comfortable with openly gay people joining the military? Are there going to be segregated birthing areas/heads and such? Will the military then be responsible for building infrastructure to make this happen?

Not saying one way or the other that I agree or disagree with ending "don't ask, don't tell". However, I'm not sure how this will work...any thoughts?

"not sure how this will work" - That says it all.

As a right wing religious wing nut, I am not comfortable with openly sexually perverted people serving in the military. However, as a libertarian, I also not comfortable with 'the thought police' or 'big brother' watching you.

I think "don't ask/don't tell' policy is a pretty good compromise. There may be some change or reform that would make it better, but I can't think of any off hand.

I agree with TVC (if I understood him right) that full out "loud and proud" homosexuals will not, and should not, be welcomed into the military.

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Anyone taking bets it won't happen?

What we have the vocal minority are trying to force their will on the majority. I'm all for a national vote on it and let the chips fall whre they may.

Maz, we already have folks from all walks of life spilling blood.

What happens when the national vote doesn't go the way they want? Outside the base gate there is a majority of people that would lift DADT.

Pfer,

What makes you think a majority of people would "lift DADT"?

(Lot of the problem is "how would the work", what exactly does "lift DADT" mean?)

Not long ago, California (out on the Far Left Coast) voted to ban homosexual "marriage." If I'm not mistaken the majority of initiatives and referendums on similar issues has disappointed homosexual activists. So far, it's been tyrannical oligarchies of judges that have forced the homosexual agenda on a public that has had little if any say in the matter, and oppose it when they do have chance to vote on it.

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The reality is it weakens the military. no one wants to say it and certainly no one living through it can.

Care to explain how it would weaken the military? Do you actually believe that there are no gays or lesbians currently serving?

I'll take a crack at that. There have always been, and always will be, sexual perverts in the military. However, I strongly suspect that sexual perversion is not something most people are proud to be associated with. Therefore, if the "loud and proud" contingent is free to serve openly, I suspect there will be more people looking for the exit, and avoiding the entrance, than the handfull of sexual pervert that have avoided service due to "dont ask/don't tell."

And Fenway Park stinks!

So if we let the Gays and Lesbians openly serve, does that mean the Metrosexuals get to openly serve, too? What about the Asexuals?

Opening WAY too many closet doors, IMHO.

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Many years ago Barry Goldwater was asked what he thought of gays serving in the military. His response was that as long as they could shoot straight he didn't care.

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Originally posted by 2494906:
Of course it will happen! He has kept so many of his campaign promises so far... let's see... He closed GTMO. Pulled the troops out of Iraq. Fixed the economy. Made the world love us again. If he's kept all those promises, I don't see why this one would be any different!!

He could do it tomorrow by Executive Order, just as Truman did with integrating the military in '47 (or '49 - I forget). But I strongly suspect that he's easing into it out of deference to the military chain of command, much to the disappointment of the 'loud and proud' movement that threw the demo yesterday.

And speaking of Truman's coup d'etat WRT integration, much of the opposition to gays openly serving sounds eerily familiar to the opposition then. Not here, of course, but in the community at large.

And a referendum on the issue then would no doubt have 'defeated' integration, just as it likely would on repealing DADT. One of the enduring beauties of our Constitution is that it applies to all, regardless of public sentiment on the issue at hand. For example, flag burning as Freedom of Speech is widely held (including myself) to be disgusting, unpatriotic and deserving of punishment but it's the correct application of the Constitutional principle. Same same w/ DADT.

v/r - jb