Okay there exists a wealth of knowledge here. If you could have any part of a weapon or weapon system to build a rifle with, what would it be? (please no starwars or harry potter B.S., only real gun parts)

Hmmm...well, I'd have an LWRC SOC upper receiver with a Patriot lower (I like the trigger on it), 16" barrel. I would have a Trjicon Tripower sight with the flip-up 3x option, and an aluminum vertical grip. As far as caliber is concerned, I'd go with 6.8mm. The 5.56 is a good round, and lots of dead guys attest to that, but I think I would like the greater punch. Hey, this is hypothetical, right?

Well, if I was going to build the "Ultimate Assault Rifle/Carbine," the first thing I'd do is completely purpose design a whole new cartridge, and not be trapped by the magwell dimensions of the current M16/M4 family.

Probably a case similar to the Russian 7.62x39mm, but lengthened a bit, say to somewhere around 42-45mm. Retain the case taper to ease feeding and primary extraction, and make sure it works well linked (for the SAW replacement to go along with it.) The bullet itself would be 6.5mm, in the 120-130 grain range for a nice slick ballistic coeffiecient.

I'd take the fire control group from the Robinson Armament XCR, along with the bolt and the easy to change barrel group.

I'm not sure if I'd want to take the bolt carrier and gas piston from the AK, or from the SCAR. I'd really like to build a few each way and see which one was more reliable and accurate. And the gas valve would be adjustable.

Then I'd take the upper receiver from the SCAR (it beats the XCR due to the reversible charging handle), along with the folding/extendible stock (unless the one from the Masada works better.)

Finally, it would have built in, folding iron sights.

its simple, just take an m4 basic design, and then just step up the caliber to 7.62 or 30.06

I would take the Daewoo design and change the caliber to 6.8mm and use a modular stock from the AR platform. Also, use modular hand guards instead of plastic units with heat shields.

thanks,
Ron

I would choose a m16A4 with a easier to change barrel, caliber 6.8 (if possible chemically expanding rounds), and a short stroke system.

Nuff Said.


NC1911 !!!

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Originally posted by leatherneck448:
its simple, just take an m4 basic design, and then just step up the caliber to 7.62 or 30.06

Read the TOU and "Reed and Heed".You are not yet a Marine, you need to change your screen name.

M-4 in 7.62....Hmmmmmm, maybe with a redesigned..adn shorter case.

30.06 ? Not a chance.

NC1911 !!!

30.06 is what you'd call "major overkill!"

I'll upgrade my LWRC to .50 BMG! Better start hitting the weights!

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Originally posted by M14_Loyalist:
30.06 is what you'd call "major overkill!"

I'll upgrade my LWRC to .50 BMG! Better start hitting the weights!

What ever happened / is the status on the .50 Beowolf? In an M-4 , Pistol???? I don't remember..adn I am to tired to google!

NC1911 !!!

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Originally posted by NiteCloak1911:



Nuff Said.


NC1911 !!!

The photo you posted is an Assault Rifle not a Battle Rifle due to its 5.56mm cartridge.

Maybe I am old fashioned but my favorite battle rifle is the M14. There have been many improvements that would bring the M14 up to modern standards like the Sage EBR/Mark 14 from Fulton Armory.

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Originally posted by RavenWarrior:


The photo you posted is an Assault Rifle not a Battle Rifle due to its 5.56mm cartridge.

NC1911 !!!

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Originally posted by NiteCloak1911:

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Originally posted by RavenWarrior:


The photo you posted is an Assault Rifle not a Battle Rifle due to its 5.56mm cartridge.

NC1911 !!!

If you like HK and wanted a Battle Rifle and not an Assault Rifle then try the G3. Do you even know what a Battle Rifle is? Or what the definition of an Assault Rifle is?

NiteCloak1911, let me help you out. From the rolling eyes face you posted I doubt you would take my word for it so here are some definitions for you.
Battle Rifles

Assault Rifles

It does not take a masters degree to look at the magazine of the weapon you posted to see that its chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO and thus an Assault Rifle. Now the question asked in this thread is, "What would be the best battle rifle". The HK G3KA4 would be the same weapon you show in you photo chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO and would be a Battle Rifle. The Weapon you show in your photo is an HK53A3 with retractable buttstock which IS NOT a Battle Rifle but an Assault Rifle.

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Originally posted by RavenWarrior:
NiteCloak1911, let me help you out. From the rolling eyes face you posted I doubt you would take my word for it so here are some definitions for you.
Battle Rifles

Assault Rifles


Raven. Did you happen on to this , find it in another reference, or just happened on to it from casual reading...and decided to start a thread, so you would make others believe you knew what you were talking about?

It does not take a masters degree to look at the magazine of the weapon you posted to see that its chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO and thus an Assault Rifle.

Dang..you are good.I am a weapons perfectionist...but sometimes I cannot look at the magazine and decide what caliber the weapon is. ESPECIALLY HK. Are you sure you did not right click on the image, and see the answer by checking the "Propertys" of the pic. HK, and some AK's are hard to tell the caliber by looking at the magazine alone.


Now the question asked in this thread is, "What would be the best battle rifle". The HK G3KA4 would be the same weapon you show in you photo chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO and would be a Battle Rifle. The Weapon you show in your photo is an HK53A3 with retractable buttstock which IS NOT a Battle Rifle but an Assault Rifle.

Quote - 'Battle Rifle' is a retrospective term which describes a family of post-WW2 infantry weapons such as the FN FAL, the H&K G3 and the M14. At the time these weapons were sometimes described as assault rifles to differentiate them from the larger, more cumbersome WW2 weapons (which were simply called 'Rifles'). However, smaller and lighter weapons such as the AK-47 and AR-15 are considerably more practical for actually performing an assault, and therefore the term 'battle rifle' came into being during the 1970s to describe this intermediate generation. Whilst the term 'assault rifle' suggests a weapon designed for relatively close-range work, 'battle rifle' evokes a faraway time when wars were fought in an open field between lines of men separated by a distance of several hundred metres.Link.


Battle Rifle / Assult rifle. I, like this "Quote" am used to the term of battle rifle from earier terms / descriptions. I will not post all of links / quotes. But I did find various links classifying the .223 as a "Battle Rifle." One description is anothers argument I guess. And I seen some articles where your description of a battle rifle, is an assult rifle.


NC1911 !!!

Negative wrong answer. There is a difference in a Battle Rifle and an Assault Rifle. The only people that misuse these terms are those that are ignorant of weapons.

I am always disappointed how the press and lawmakers like to use the term Assault Rifle to describe any weapon that looks like a military weapon like my M1A and my HK 91. Even my AR 15's are technically not assault rifles due to the fact they are semi automatic and not select fire weapons. They use these terms because they are either ignorant about weapons and/or they are using words as a scare tactic to gain support from the public to get them banned.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by NiteCloak1911:

Dang..you are good.I am a weapons perfectionist...but sometimes I cannot look at the magazine and decide what caliber the weapon is. ESPECIALLY HK. Are you sure you did not right click on the image, and see the answer by checking the "Propertys" of the pic. HK, and some AK's are hard to tell the caliber by looking at the magazine alone. [QUOTE]

Well since I own an HK 91 and have owned an HK 93 in the past I can easily look at them and tell you what caliber it fires. Look at any photo of an HK91/G3 magazine its not only larger but is strait not curved like a banana like the magazine of the HK93 and its many 5.56x45mm variants.

I also own a full automatic HK MP5KPDW submachine gun chambered in 9mm and have a federal Class III license for it.

Here is an example of an HK 91 note the magazine size and shape.


Here is an example of the HK G3KA4 also chambered in 7.62x51 NATO. Note the magazine.


Now compair this HK 53A3 chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO. Not the banana like curve to the magazine and the size difference.

I am supprized an "expert" like NiteCloak1911 would be so confused on this difference in the magazines. ESPECIALLY being a "weapons perfectionist" as he calls himself. I bet you call yourself a "weapons perfectionist" so "you would make others believe you knew what you were talking about". Any "weapons perfectionist" would tell you that your photo is chambered in 5.56x45mm and an Assault Rifle and NOT a Battle Rifle. Especially something as easy as HK.

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Another way to tell the difference in the HK G3 variants and the HK 33/53/93 variants is to look at the butt stock. The ones that fire the 7.62x51mm have 2 bolts that secure it to the receiver where as the 5.56x45mm variants have only one bolt to secure the butt stock to the receiver as seen in my examples above.

I did not desire this to become a pissing contest my friend. I do know what I am talking about and I admit when I am wrong. I am not wrong on this one though. I do think you have good taste in weapons.