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Scrounge,

1. This has everything to do with religion or should i say their religion. They are fighting our occupation on their holy land not the transition to a democracy.

2. See #1

3. Lets say the Iraqis can handle these "Extremists" does that mean that the we will depart their country? I highly doubt that. We will occupy their country just like 130 others around the world. Like McCain said 100 years if need be.

Lets say we stop today would it escalate? Who knows. Lets say we dont stop until 2013 like McCain said last week. Will terrorism end or escalate? Who knows. Lets just pump another 3 trillion dollars at it though and hope for a crap shot.

4. I did not say that we should tell them their tatics worked. That is nonsense. They are doing what we would do if another country would come over here and try and occupy our country. This all goes back to some of our other discussions. We feel differently about why they attacked us in the first place. I would rather not get into that discussion again because we have done so many times before.

5. "How well did that work for us after the last twenty years or so of terrorist attack."

How long have we been intervening in other countries affairs? it looks like that has not turned out all to well. Its time to reevaluate our foriegn policy. Heck how long have occupied the middle east? This is no coincidence.
 
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There are a few things in play here.

1. We are still a predominantly Christian country that will continue to support Israel as long as they must defend themselves against the entire Arab/Muslim world.

2. The entire Arab/Muslim world supports terrorism in some shape or form and most all have vowed the destruction of Israel. Any possible human rights violations here?

3. We are "over there" because that's where the problem is and it is America's best defense to fight terrorism "there" rather than "here". As I stated in another thread, I would rather armed U.S. soldiers die in Iraq with a chance to defend themselves than worry about our children at school or in the mall. Face it, we haven't had another attack here in almost seven years. We must be doing something right.

4. Of course everbody hates us. That said do you really think "talking" to these extremists will have a positive outcome? After all, the followers of Ishmal have wanted to kill the followers of Issac for 4,000 years now. Why are we involved? Because they drew us in to it!

5. Finally, "Protect America, not others" is isolationist and will not fly; especially in the world we now live. The two oceans that have protected us for 200 years are now inconsequential and easily breeched.


This is such a crazy liberal idea that has no place in American government. If you want to save the world, join the peace corps. True conservatives would stay out of the affairs of other countries, including the almighty Israel.
 
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Scrounge,

1. This has everything to do with religion or should i say their religion. They are fighting our occupation on their holy land not the transition to a democracy. Iraqi's are not fighting us....Some Iraqi's might be, but they do not represent the nation of Iraq. It does matter to them (radical extremists)...That's why the religous extremists are in it for the long haul...We are not there for religous reasons, we are there because using terror to obtain objectives is an unnacceptable practice...(Something about killing innocent babies and mothers to make a point).

2. See #1

3. Lets say the Iraqis can handle these "Extremists" does that mean that the we will depart their country? I highly doubt that. We will occupy their country just like 130 others around the world. Like McCain said 100 years if need be. I apologize..I did NOT mean to say we would no longer be a presence...I am saying the services and the numbers (personnel) we are providing will drop dramatically.

Lets say we stop today would it escalate? Who knows. Lets say we dont stop until 2013 like McCain said last week. Will terrorism end or escalate? Who knows. Lets just pump another 3 trillion dollars at it though and hope for a crap shot. So you don't understand the entire concept...Are you so busy counting the deaths and dollars you can't recognize sometimes you must be on the offensive, that there is no way to gage how many innocent lives you've saved? Could it be because you are not in the know? Could it be because you refuse to understand the severity of the situation?

4. I did not say that we should tell them their tatics worked. That is nonsense. If we sit with them and negotiate WE ARE CLEARLY TELLING THEM THAT THEIR TACTICS WORKED! They are doing what we would do if another country would come over here and try and occupy our country. We would send people into markets and kill women and children?? I think not! We would set a bomb on a train...in hopes of altering an election? I think not! This all goes back to some of our other discussions. We feel differently about why they attacked us in the first place. I would rather not get into that discussion again because we have done so many times before.

5. "How well did that work for us after the last twenty years or so of terrorist attack."

How long have we been intervening in other countries affairs? it looks like that has not turned out all to well. Its time to reevaluate our foriegn policy. We have re-evaluated it...It wasn't working so we are now acting on the offensive against evil people that perform evil acts Heck how long have occupied the middle east? This is no coincidence. Yep...It's our fault the terrorist chose to kill innocents....It's our fault that we value life and they don't...It's our fault they recognize that we place a value on human life and that they can use that compassion for innocents against us. That is an appeasers and an apologists view..It disgusts me, because it only serves to put is in more harms way.

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If there's no room left to argue...one must post a comic...I understand.
 
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Sorry, I thought what you responded with was hilarious. There is plenty left to argue. Know where I might find someone to argue with?
 
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Yah, if you want an improvement in the intelligence of your worthy opponent ... may I introduce Scrounge's brother:

 
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