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While speaking to the National Rifle Association in Louisville, McCain responded to Obama’s remarks earlier today.

“I welcome a debate about protecting America,” McCain said. “No issue is more important. Sen. Obama claimed all I had to offer was the ‘naive and irresponsible belief’ that tough talk would cause Iran to give up its nuclear program. He should know better.

“I have some news for Sen. Obama: Talking, not even with soaring rhetoric, in unconditional meetings with the man who calls Israel a ‘stinking corpse’ and arms terrorist who kill Americans will not convince Iran to give up its nuclear program. It is reckless to suggest that unconditional meetings will advance our interests.

“It would be a wonderful thing if we lived in a world where we don't have enemies. But that is not the world we live in, and until Sen. Obama understands that reality, the American people have every reason to doubt whether he has the strength, judgment, and determination to keep us safe.”

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Originally posted by Mazski9:

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From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
While speaking to the National Rifle Association in Louisville, McCain responded to Obama’s remarks earlier today.

“I welcome a debate about protecting America,” McCain said. “No issue is more important. Sen. Obama claimed all I had to offer was the ‘naive and irresponsible belief’ that tough talk would cause Iran to give up its nuclear program. He should know better.

“I have some news for Sen. Obama: Talking, not even with soaring rhetoric, in unconditional meetings with the man who calls Israel a ‘stinking corpse’ and arms terrorist who kill Americans will not convince Iran to give up its nuclear program. It is reckless to suggest that unconditional meetings will advance our interests.

“It would be a wonderful thing if we lived in a world where we don't have enemies. But that is not the world we live in, and until Sen. Obama understands that reality, the American people have every reason to doubt whether he has the strength, judgment, and determination to keep us safe.”

If Obama "thought" President Bush was speaking about him yesterday, John McCain made it clear in using his name while calling him out today. When it comes to national security, Obama is dead, Clinton is rejoicing, and McCain finally found his balls. Rock on John!

If you don't think John put one down the left wing stack, why are they crying and whining so much?

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RUBIN: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"

McCAIN: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another,

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McCAIN: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another,

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Originally posted by SociallyAutistic:
Why do I have to do better? McCain said he'd deal with Hamas ... then he said some other BS. Now, I will not call him a flip-flop ... I really do believe that these guys should be able to change their minds.

And I don't even support Obama ... but I definitely do not support any ridiculous notions that McCain dealt him "body blows", "a smack in the mouth", or any other stupid-azz John Wayne $hit.

You guys want to artificially spin it up ... I'm spinnin' it down ... using his own words against him. You people should be ashamed of yourselves for such vapid lies and BS.

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I really do believe that these guys should be able to change their minds.

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Why do I have to do better?

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Originally posted by Mazski9:

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McCAIN: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another,

I tend to believe that after what McCain said yesterday it doesn't mean having an afternoon tea in the White House to discuss our differences. Do you understand that when it comes to Hamas they will stop at nothing short of the total destruction of Israel? It's non-negotiatable.

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How is that the United States problem? How does that affect OUR national security? I undertand that they are our "ally" (if you want to call giving all of our crap to them an ally) but we honestly shouldnt be over there. Now you all wonder why they hate us so much. Its not hard to put 2 and 2 together here.

Protect America! Not others.

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Originally posted by Mazski9:

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How is that the United States problem? How does that affect OUR national security? I undertand that they are our "ally" (if you want to call giving all of our crap to them an ally) but we honestly shouldnt be over there. Now you all wonder why they hate us so much. Its not hard to put 2 and 2 together here.

Protect America! Not others.

There are a few things in play here.

1. We are still a predominantly Christian country that will continue to support Israel as long as they must defend themselves against the entire Arab/Muslim world.

2. The entire Arab/Muslim world supports terrorism in some shape or form and most all have vowed the destruction of Israel. Any possible human rights violations here?

3. We are "over there" because that's where the problem is and it is America's best defense to fight terrorism "there" rather than "here". As I stated in another thread, I would rather armed U.S. soldiers die in Iraq with a chance to defend themselves than worry about our children at school or in the mall. Face it, we haven't had another attack here in almost seven years. We must be doing something right.

4. Of course everbody hates us. That said do you really think "talking" to these extremists will have a positive outcome? After all, the followers of Ishmal have wanted to kill the followers of Issac for 4,000 years now. Why are we involved? Because they drew us in to it!

5. Finally, "Protect America, not others" is isolationist and will not fly; especially in the world we now live. The two oceans that have protected us for 200 years are now inconsequential and easily breeched.

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Originally posted by bkreigh:

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Originally posted by Mazski9:

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McCAIN: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another,

I tend to believe that after what McCain said yesterday it doesn't mean having an afternoon tea in the White House to discuss our differences. Do you understand that when it comes to Hamas they will stop at nothing short of the total destruction of Israel? It's non-negotiatable.

How is that the United States problem? How does that affect OUR national security? I undertand that they are our "ally" (if you want to call giving all of our crap to them an ally) but we honestly shouldnt be over there. Now you all wonder why they hate us so much. Its not hard to put 2 and 2 together here.

Protect America! Not others.

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Originally posted by bkreigh:

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Originally posted by Mazski9:

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How is that the United States problem? How does that affect OUR national security? I undertand that they are our "ally" (if you want to call giving all of our crap to them an ally) but we honestly shouldnt be over there. Now you all wonder why they hate us so much. Its not hard to put 2 and 2 together here.

Protect America! Not others.

There are a few things in play here.

1. We are still a predominantly Christian country that will continue to support Israel as long as they must defend themselves against the entire Arab/Muslim world.

2. The entire Arab/Muslim world supports terrorism in some shape or form and most all have vowed the destruction of Israel. Any possible human rights violations here?

3. We are "over there" because that's where the problem is and it is America's best defense to fight terrorism "there" rather than "here". As I stated in another thread, I would rather armed U.S. soldiers die in Iraq with a chance to defend themselves than worry about our children at school or in the mall. Face it, we haven't had another attack here in almost seven years. We must be doing something right.

4. Of course everbody hates us. That said do you really think "talking" to these extremists will have a positive outcome? After all, the followers of Ishmal have wanted to kill the followers of Issac for 4,000 years now. Why are we involved? Because they drew us in to it!

5. Finally, "Protect America, not others" is isolationist and will not fly; especially in the world we now live. The two oceans that have protected us for 200 years are now inconsequential and easily breeched.

In response to your comments.

1. This should have nothing to do with religion or race. We had a good majority of German descents but we didn't take up sides with Nazis. This thread was started in regards to National Security. The fact is, is that we are protecting Israel and getting nothing in return. We send more aid to Israel than any other country. Heck we also send aid to their enemies. It seems like we are funding both sides of this conflict. We should end aid to all countries not just Israel. I have nothing against Israel and i hope they prevail but I do not believe we should have a hand in it. Furthermore, It has little to do with religion or race and everything to do with radical extremists...If they were not fighting this transition, our work would be done there.

2. I highly doubt that every arab/muslim supports terrorism. We have a decent sized arab/muslim population here in the US and i dont see them going around causing many problems. It's not every Muslim, It's the radical extreimists, bent on terrorizing to accomplish their goals

3. Sure we havent had another attack, YET. I believe the longer we are over there the more enemies we will make. I still have not heard answer regarding how do we know when we will have won this war. We "win" when the Iraqi's can handle the extremists that are trying to stop Iraq from being in a pposition to take care of themselves....Talk the extremists out of acting extreme and we can call it good. Is the only way to actually win this war to destroy all arab/muslim people? I surely hope not. Of course not, again think about it...If we stopped today, would terrorism end or escalate, if the extremists stopped today, would we terrorize civilans?

4. I think we need to find a different way for a positive outcome. We have diplomats for a reason. We should use them. I dont think solving everything through blood is the best option. Not the best option...But the only option, why would anyone think that it makes sense to tell a terrorist, okay your terrorizing tactiucs worked, we want to sit down and talk...Do you think if we told them this ois where we draw the line, you stop terrorizing and we will all get along, they would agree to stop...or would they then escalte the terror to obtain more objectives That should be the last option. It already isIt already is I dont understand why Obama is catching heat talking with Haamas while just last week our President was over in Saudi Arabia talking with those guys. Hamas has said they are our enemy, did Saudi Arabia state that? On 9-11 there were more hijackers from Saudi than any other country. Whats the difference? They were not representing Saudi Arabia, they were representing extremist Muslims...AQ Is it because we already have bases in Saudi Arabia? I really have no idea. Furthermore, i do think we could work something out by talking with them. We were once allies with Saddam and Bin Laden. How soon we all forget. Many a nation and entities have been allies before they weren't...We removed Saddam because he chose to ignore a unanymous UN resolution...and he was supprting terror. Bin Laden admitted he attacked us, with no intention of ever letting down, until we see things his way and only his way...Successful negotiations require that two sides compromise...Bin Laden has no intentions of compromising and terrorists do not deserve a place at a negotiation table

5. Here you are completely wrong. Isolationists is if we keep to ourselves and do nothing else. Meaning no trading, no talking, no nothing. What i proposed was call Non-interventionism. Yes there is a difference. However, if you listen to main stream media all the time then i can understand how somebody would get these confused. How well did that work for us after the last twenty years or so of terrorist attacks.