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Then I watched ABC News tonight and it was not mentioned.

Surprising? I think not!

But if this had been Bush...

Bias in the media... no... there's no such thing...

Its not just that he sat and listen to this hate, but he subjected his daughters to the same hateful message and that shows poor judgement and taste. I don't mind hanging with some different folks once in a while but I don't drag my family.

Peace,
Dick

Dick, excellent point that I am ashamed to admit, I missed. But that placed an entirely new light on the subject. Where I first thought that he let it go in one ear and out the other, I must now re-reflect!

I may be wrong (it does happen) but I have never seen Senator Obama endorse, vote, or come up with any type of legislation that would agree with the words of the reverend. Now I have no true desire to see Obama win the presidency, but I think we should focus on a persons policies and how they intend to uphold the constitution when talking elections, not their pastor.

Obama allegedly has ties to Farrakhan and the guy with the Weather Underground from 1970. If these stories get legs, it could turn the Pennsylvania primary toward Hillary, and the re-do in Michigan also. It could give the superdelegates the reason to go with Hillary at the convention. She may pull a rabbit out of the hat yet.

Mark, but we don’t do that with the Republicans so why do it with the Democrats? Treat them all the same!

The hateful racist man babtised his kids as well and Barack gave him $22,000.00 alone this year in contributions etc.. to his ministry.
This minister and his racist teachings are no stranger to the Obama family table.
Peace,
Dick

Obama "Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-...-church_b_91623.html

What about insane McCain, anything to say about him and the double-talk exppress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

Mario

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Originally posted by disagreed:
Mark, but we don’t do that with the Republicans so why do it with the Democrats? Treat them all the same!

I'm not saying it should be done at all. I try to focus on the issues, voting records, and plans for the future when it comes to elections. I think these stories are blown out of proportion by the media that has nothing better to do. Maybe on the news tomorrow we will get to hear what Clintons hair dresser thinks about Vietnam, or maybe McCains brother will say Pearl Harbor was a conspiracy.

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Originally posted by mboccia:
I may be wrong (it does happen) but I have never seen Senator Obama endorse, vote, or come up with any type of legislation that would agree with the words of the reverend. Now I have no true desire to see Obama win the presidency, but I think we should focus on a persons policies and how they intend to uphold the constitution when talking elections, not their pastor.

Maybe he was waiting until he was president to start. Who a person associates with is very good indicator of who they really are. Obama's wife has already made a few comments that good along with the reverends views.

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Then I watched ABC News tonight and it was not mentioned. If the mainstream media doesn't pick it up, Obama may weather the storm.

They're probably trying to think it through and figure it all out, instead of reacting in a knee jerk fashion like some folks on this board. Let's see now, some people are saying he is a Muslim, and now the same people are saying he is a Christian who belongs to a mainline, white led religious organization (the United Church of Christ [UCC]), and went to church every Sunday for the last 20 years or so.

Some other members of the UCC have been:

Daniel Akaka — U.S. Senator from Hawaii (Democrat)
Max Baucus — U.S. Senator from Montana (Democrat)
Julian Bond — Chair NAACP (2004–present)
Walter Brueggemann — contemporary theologian, poet, and UCC minister, retired professor at Columbia Theological Seminary
William Sloane Coffin — Late Presbyterian/UCC minister and activist; 'pastor, prophet, poet'; former Chaplain at Yale University and Senior Pastor of Riverside Church, New York City
Common — Rapper, recording artist, member of Trinity UCC in Chicago
Jon Corzine — Governor of New Jersey (Democrat)
Howard Dean — Former Governor of Vermont (Democrat)
Mark Fernald — Former New Hampshire State senator pg 10
Donald Hall — United States US Poet Laureate [42]
Mills Godwin — Former Governor of Virginia
Bob Graham — Former U.S. Senator from Florida (Democrat)
Judd Gregg — U.S. Senator from New Hampshire (Republican)
Jim Jeffords — Former U.S. Senator from Vermont (Independent)
Dean Koontz — American writer and author. Raised UCC, now is Catholic. [43]
John Williamson Nevin — notable 19th-century theologian [44]
Barack Obama — U.S. Senator, 2008 presidential candidate
Robert Orr — Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations [45]
H. Richard Niebuhr — notable 20th-century theologian
Reinhold Niebuhr — notable 20th-century theologian
Sally Pederson — former Lieutenant Governor of Iowa (Democrat)
Leonard Pitts — Nationally syndicated Pulitzer prize–winning (2004) columnist
Marilynne Robinson — Pulitzer prize-winning (2005) author of the novel Gilead
Philip Schaff — notable 19th-century theologian [46]
George Smathers — Democratic Senator from Florida [47]
Max L. Stackhouse — public theologian and professor at Princeton Theological Seminary
William "Bill" McKinney — President of Pacific School of Religion, since 1996
Paul Tillich — notable 20th-century theologian
Andrew Young — Civil rights leader, ordained UCC pastor, and former member of Congress, UN ambassador, and mayor of Atlanta, Georgia
Jeri Kehn Thompson - wife of Law & Order star and former U.S. Senator and presidential candidate Fred Thompson

//SOURCE//

Quite an eclectic group, I'd say.

...gjd

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Originally posted by EMC_

Maybe he was waiting until he was president to start. Who a person associates with is very good indicator of who they really are. Obama's wife has already made a few comments that good along with the reverends views.

I have to agree with EMC on this one..poor Obama should have took the the day job hillary had offered.

B-Rock really looked like a politician when he was waffling his way through an explanation....was that what it was....an explanation?

This one ain't over for B-Rock.

Did any of this group have a pastor who spewed the most vile and racist retoric imaginable? No one is implying that this garbage permeates this very respectable faith and I am confident that this so-called pastor is an aberration. The question is: why would someone sit and listen to this for 20 years, and describe the pastor as a "mentor" if he is not in accord with the pastors views?

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Originally posted by EMC_
. . . Who a person associates with is very good indicator of who they really are.

I guess we should also disqualify McCain and Clinton, and start the selection process all over again.

...gjd

Sounds good to me.

geejaydee,

From your source: "Local churches have the freedom to govern themselves, establishing their own internal organizational structures and theological positions."

So how many of those persons you listed went to the same Church as Sen. Obama? Your post only holds water if they all went to the same church, since it seems every church is run differently.

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Originally posted by tubaman2:
Did any of this group have a pastor who spewed the most vile and racist retoric imaginable? No one is implying that this garbage permeates this very respectable faith and I am confident that this so-called pastor is an aberration. The question is: why would someone sit and listen to this for 20 years, and describe the pastor as a "mentor" if he is not in accord with the pastors views?

And a "role model". Sounds strange that Obama didn't know about these views.....VERY strange given the length of association and closeness with his family.

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The question is: why would someone sit and listen to this for 20 years, and describe the pastor as a "mentor" if he is not in accord with the pastors views?

Growing up, I sat through many a sermon, and even listened to a few of them. I never argued the point with the priest, but I really had trouble with things like Transubstantiation, along with expressed views about birth control, abortion, and avoiding "Occasions of Sin" (you know, those Protestants!).

Well, I never wanted to become a priest, or run for President, anyway.

Are you people really serious in dishing out all this BS???

...gjd

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Originally posted by geejaydee:
Are you people really serious in dishing out all this BS???

Its not BS. From Drudge: Obama took the title of his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope,” from a sermon by Wright, who baptized him and officiated at his wedding. He has called Wright “a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible.”
And we thought Bush had some foul balls as his advisors or "sounding boards".