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THE AUDACITY OF HOPE is a thought provoking tome that describes Barack Obama's vision for governing. It stresses building consensus, balancing idealism and realism, notes what can and cannot be compromised and admits the possibility that the other side might sometimes have a point.
He believes that government has a role in promoting opportunity and prosperity for all Americans. And espouses National renewal by re-engaging a broad majority of Americans who see their own self interest inextricably linked to the interests of others. |
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Nice review.
Sounds like a reasonable approach to governing to me. |
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Hey Rob, hope your knee is working out better for you than mine is for me!
I never read the book and do not plan to do so. Although I like his words (remember, I voted for him in the primary) I always come back to a few questions. How much will this cost? Who will pay for it? What is the negative impact on those funding the 'opportunity'? I believe that government has the obligation to insure that we all have the same potential and ability to prosper. But opportunities pass us by each day and we fail to grasp them and run with it. No one knows how many millions we left on the table by refusing to chase a dream or grab onto an opportunity. No one knows whom we could have helped but we failed to jump at the opportunity. So, how will the government mandate opportunity? Since you read it and I didn't, does he cover how this concern? |
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What about the poor and disabled? The government can't make opportunites We make them. I had an offer for a job years ago. I turned it down because I already had a job. The job that I turned down made mucho bucks. I'm sorry I didn't take it...
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But, the government CAN curtail those who enrich themselves by limiting the opportunities of others. The Corporatocracy has stood far too long. If Obama can do anything to put an end to this, then he has my support. I'm just afraid of being disappointed again. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, kind of thing. |
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I'm kind of thinking that we should do away with this concept of "I support (fill in the blank). By voting some guy in, it seems we are, in effect hiring him, or at least, assigning our proxy vote to him. So maybe the concept should be, does HE support ME?
I've taken on a lotta contract jobs, and I know I have to enter the environment completely adaptable, ready to assimilate into whatever Now, I don't know HOW to do this, but it ought to be easier to fire these guys who don't support us, especially when US is me and you, and I'm not sure about you. As I said, I'm not sure how it work ... unless you appoint me Chairman of the Board with total authority, then maybe ... |
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Soc, should our elected officials support ‘us’ or the US? I think that sometimes the individual must ‘suffer’ a little in the name of what is best for the nation. (in one case it is called 'taxes)
 We did it and do it by serving in the military. Others do it but contributing to charities like the USO and Operation Helmet. I think that we need to do what is best for the nation and national security. But as always, I could be wrong or lying. |
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Speaking for myself, US is the PEOPLE, and not the corporations that dictate policy in Washington. The people can still have the power if we want it; all we have to do is VOTE. The powers that be are in the extreme minority in this country. And, the only way they can maintain their power is to convince the people to vote for their causes. They do this by distracting people with racial divisions, and wedge issues like gay marriage. The more than $819 billion of our tax money that gets doled out to the wealthiest among us could be better spent on programs that benefit EVERYONE. Or, at the very least, returned to the people who need it most. Then people would have more money to donate to whatever charities they choose, and the necessary government programs would have plenty of resources to pick up the slack from those who couldn't care less about the plight of those less fortunate. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RobinCrusse:
He believes that government has a role in promoting opportunity and prosperity for all Americans.[QUOTE] "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson |
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Thomas Jefferson didn't foresee the advent of the multi-national corporation. The government is now big enough to give the wealthiest among us everything THEY want, and the wealthiest, in turn, take away everything WE have. |
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I would think he was aware of the large int' merchants of the day that were trading world wide with private and contracted shipping arrangements, as well as the shipping lines and captains that would controll alot of what was being traded when and where through out the world. These companies later became the powerful steamship lines that controll and dominate trade routes that essentially make or break a port economically. I could be wrong? "Jefferson did not begin to differ with Hamilton until they clashed as to the way to persuade England to release the Northwest Territory forts, still held in violation of the 1783 Treaty of Paris. Jefferson favored the application of economic pressure by forbidding imports from England, but Hamilton objected, fearing that the resulting loss of revenue would endanger his plans for the nation's financial structure." This message has been edited. Last edited by: asm3driscoll, |
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Oh, he was aware of them, all right. And, he was aware of the East India Company that became so powerful that it had it's own army and navy. That's why the Founding Fathers originally sought to curtail the power of corporations. And, if it wasn't for an obscure dissenting opinion during a case before the Supreme Court over whether the 14th Amendment applied to corporations, they would still be under control.
 Where did you copy and paste (plagiarize) this from? The grammar and spelling improved DRAMATICALLY from one paragraph to the next, and I guess you didn't notice that the last sentence got cut off when you were copying it. |
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I put it in quotations for you, didn't you see that? Also one minute your saying he wasn't aware of big multi nat'l corporations and two seconds later your posting that he was well aware of large corporations, well which is it?
You will get no argument from me regarding my shitty spelling and grammer. I went to a trade school in the combat zone of Boston for highschool and joined the coast guard whuile still in my senior year. I was never what I would call a very good student! This message has been edited. Last edited by: asm3driscoll, |
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I remember after Obama's 2004 DNC speech he was pretty much being universally praised on this board. Now that he's actually a Presidential Candidate those same people are turning to vilification beacuse it might mean he could beat a Republican candidate. Two party politics at its finest.
I still likely will go 3rd party on general principle but it's kind of funny to watch McCain go after him about his lack of track record because all it really means is that he can't find much to try and pick apart as far as his political past during this campaign. Having a President with a political track record certainly hasn't helped at all during the last 8 years. That's for damned sure. IF Obama can actually win this thing the reaction on this board will very interesting and amusing. I wonder if the conservs will defend the honor of the Presidency with near as much zeal as they did with Bush. I kind of doubt it. |
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAWmu4
I for one have always been going with the old crazy white guy! |
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They take away everything we have because they buy the politicians. The banks bought and paid Woodrow Wilson and we get the Federal Reserve Act in exchange. If they buy the majority of the politicians they can pretty much do whatever they want like implement more government into our lives. That is until folks like you and me say "no thank you." Of course this will not happen because everybody is so damn dependent on what the government gives us. I dont see how more government will make things better. I have a better understanding on how i want to live my life not the government. Look at Social Security for example. Am i supposed to trust the government when it comes to my retirement finances when our country is in trillions of dollars in debt? Social Security is a debacle and this national health care system i hear so much about is going to be the same way. Its not the governments role to implement all this crap. Step back and let the people make their own decisions. Sorry i went rambling on there but letting the government have a role in everything we do is not the answer. |
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The quotation marks weren't in the original. I copied it exactly as it originally appeared, plagiarist. Do you prefer plagiarist to liar? And, while Jefferson was aware of big corporations, he and his fellow Founders limited their power in this country. When I said Jefferson wasn't aware of the ADVENT of multi-national corporations, I was referring to the power they have now. You and TJ have made a real good team, haven't you? |
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Now your calling me a lier? The quotations marks were in the original just as you see it. I added that whole passage in quotations after originally submitting the paragraph above it. It is as you see it and can be noted by the time it was submitted. You are mistaken again, or do you just enjoy lying?
Maybe you would enjoy having dinner with Gaylord? Imagine that! |
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