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Experienced Member |
Well, according to this article...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080615/ap_on_re_us/mexican_gas ...the answer is simple.
Now, if the U.S. government can give away countless billions of dollars in subsidies to the oil companies, why can't we have a subsidy to keep gas prices down? Socialism is good for Exxon/Mobil but not good for the people?? |
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Meat, on this one, I am solidly in your corner but I think you didn’t take it far enough! We also must beat the heck out of the hedge fund people! These clowns are truly driving the price of fuel up.
 Also, while Mexico is subsidizing their fuel our government is taxing it at a rate that is twice as high as the oil company’s profit! In this case, three wrongs make a really REALY bad wrong. From the article: “Gas is cheaper in Mexico because of a government subsidy intended to keep inflationary forces in check.” |
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I appreciate the support, but just to make sure I understand you, when you said:
You weren't implying that the the government is actually screwing the oil companies, were you? I just want to make sure I understand your point. |
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No they are screwing us with excessive taxation on fuel!
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Okay, then we are in agreement. |
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Coooool
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Well, it helps when a question is asked, to make sure of a person's point, instead of just assigning a point, whether it makes sense or not, just so you can argue against it. |
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Basic Training |
Yes gas is cheaper in Mexico. Filled up ther last week. Why it is cheaper is because the entire process, Oil, refineries, and stores are owned by the Mexican Gov't. Also the average pay is only $60.00 a week American. The poor can never atain wealth only struggle day to day. The US Gov't canot take over the oil companies. You also need to remember that the oil companies do business all over the world and yes they are a for profit company. and yes they are making more money because of more world wide sales. Also many retirement plans hold stock in these same oil companies and are making lots of money for there members.
Mike |
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I love these one size fits all arguments. Does Right Wing radio provide templates for these? "If a lefty brings up oil companies, in any context, tell them this!" I never suggested that our government take over the oil companies, did I? I only stated that if our government can subsidize oil, then it can subsidize the people. If the government can give away billions of tax payer dollars to, as you stated, for-profit companies, then they can provide a little relief from high gas prices. If the government can afford corporate welfare, then social welfare should not be a problem. |
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I think it is because they have a diet high in legumes.
--M |
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Basic Training |
You think it's cheap in Mexico, it's practically free here:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/may...b20080523_344156.htm |
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Basic Training |
No as for your blanket of right wing radio. I believe that if you can't afford it don't buy it and don't give me that crap that I have to have gas to get to work and can't affird it. Get rid of your cell phone, cable TV. I know it sounds harsh but that is the truth. I am not rich I work for myself. If I have a bad year that is my problem. If I have a great year I fork over a bunch for taxes and do not want to give more. As for corparate welfare that is the lefts attack on big business, with out these businesses we would not have the things we have today.( meaning technology) Go work for yourself for a few years and tell me you like the GOV't taking your money and giving to others. I give to the local church and work in outreach ministries. I am tired of everybody blssming the Gov't for tjhis or that. And if it is not the Gov't it is the rich need tio give more. And the rich do go look it up your self.
Mike |
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Meat,
I'm not going to argue with you about federal subsidies to the oil companies, but if you eliminated them and applied that money directly to the gas pump to keep prices down, you would only see about a 26 cent per gallon savings*. That is, unless you are willing to spend enormous amounts of money to further reduce the prices. The difficulty is the amount of gasoline our nation consumes. According to this table from the California DOE, Mexico consumes 9.4 billion gallons of gasoline per year and Venezuela consumes 3.4 billion a year. By contrast, the US consumes 134.4 billion gallons per year. Mexico's subsidy program costs their government about $20 billion a year (and according to this article, it will probably go away soon because the government can't afford it). Venezuela's subsidy costs $11 billion per year. In order to get our prices at the pump down from $4.00 to $2.50, it would mean spending about $200 billion per year. As for the subsidies to the oil companies, Greenpeace estimates that they cost the America taxpayers between $15 and $35 billion a year. So using the higher figure for the sake of discussion, that works out to 25.9 cents per gallon. Just food for thought... Matt (*) assuming the oil companies didn't raise prices to compensate for loss of the subsidies. |
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Experienced Member |
Would you like for me to cite some examples of corporate welfare and how corporations use government to steal from YOU? |
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Experienced Member |
All excellent points, Matt, and, indeed, food for thought, but don't you think that between $15 and $35 billion a year of taxpayer money, going to an industry making record profits, whether or not the elimination thereof would be applied to gas prices, is an absolute crime? Our kids have to go without books, food, adequate health care, etc, but the oil companies get billions of dollars of our money? |
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More food for thought. An investigation done by Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon), in 2001, into the illegal collusion by oil companies to intentionally close refineries in order to limit supply of gasoline, thus driving up prices.
http://wyden.senate.gov/issues/wyden_oil_report.pdf |
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Basic Training |
I still believe hydrogen is the answer. It is beyond me why it is not a top priority. I mean occording to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen Hydrogen (pronounced /ˈhaɪdrədʒən/[1]) is the chemical element with atomic number 1. It is represented by the symbol H. At standard temperature and pressure, hydrogen is a colorless, odorless, nonmetallic, tasteless, highly flammable diatomic gas with the molecular formula H2. With an atomic mass of 1.00794 amu, hydrogen is the lightest element. Hydrogen is the most abundant of the chemical elements, constituting roughly 75% of the universe's elemental mass. Our Mother Earth is 3/4 water. That's alot of hydrogen. Another thing, burning hydrogen with oxygen produces WATER, not smog. Sorry for ranting. Mario |
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Experienced Member |
In a way I kind of like the changes being brought about by increasing gas prices. It's forcing Americans to either drive less or ditch the gas guzzlers for fuel efficient vehicles. It's forcing serious exploration into alternative fuels both within the military and on the civilian side. All this is good in my view.
Oil is a finite resource and the sooner we ween ourselves off it the better. I'm not bothered by cheaper gas in mexico because it won't last. There's only so much to go around and the well is starting to run dry considering the rate at which humans use the stuff. Personally I don't want any more drilling so that Americans can save a little bit at the pump in the short term. You're only pro-longing the inevitiable. Over in Europe in many places they're paying over $9 a gallon......and they sure as hell don't pi$$ and moan about it half as much as Americans do. |
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The Enron tactic, how chickensh*t can you get? While I agree with Metal, there is a real danger now. Bush, under orders from his masters, is ramping up rhetoric about drilling in protected areas. Now, what is key to note here is, this will not drop prices at all, ever. Just like the invasion of Iraq didn't drop prices. The other fact is, the oil companies are simply raising prices because they can. The oil in this country should be nationalized if that's the case. The oil companies want more oil for more profits and they are squeezing you all by the balls to get it, will we sell our collective souls for these robber barons? later... |
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fer better or worse, let me interject what my new boss told me today ... the engineering community has calculated that the sum total expenditure on refinery upgrades in the country will exceed 11 Billion over the next five years ... since they're a top rated company, they want to carve their share out of that.
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