I'm not posting this with any bias. It just makes me sad. Do we need to change course altogether or just change the way we are doing this over there,
What can be done? Thoughts?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_terrorism_report

"the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" and MABUS.

(osaMABUSh)

Good Cop, Bad Cop...working for the same goal. Figure it out.

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Since I'm at it, I might as well point out that the 9/11 truth movement is not just for the "fringe conspiracy theorist" anymore, no. More and more are challenging the "official" version of events. Read about how U.N. Official Calls for Study Of Neocons' Role in 9/11.

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It is possibly true that especially the neoconservatives thought there was a situation in the country and in the world where something had to happen to wake up the American people. Whether they are innocent about the contention that they made that something happen or not, I don't think we can answer definitively at this point. All we can say is there is a lot of grounds for suspicion, there should be an official investigation of the sort the 9/11 commission did not engage in and that the failure to do these things is cheating the American people and in some sense the people of the world of a greater confidence in what really happened than they presently possess.

And with High-level officials warning of fake terror who can blame anyone that questions the "official" version. It's clear that BushCo want to install a type of dictatorship in this country and they will use whatever means necessary to accomplish that goal.

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lokie
I agree. My grandson came back I don't know how long he's staying at home. I hope Everyone gets out of there and let them kill one another
MY BAD but that's the way I feel

Stormer, thank you for having a free thinking brain and doing what NO ONE has done in the 7 years that I have been hammering away on this subject, supporting me.

I'll use this thread to post all the latest updates on this. I'm not posting old data, just what comes up from now on.

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Originally posted by FrankieFunk:
I'm not posting this with any bias. It just makes me sad. Do we need to change course altogether or just change the way we are doing this over there,
What can be done? Thoughts?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_terrorism_report

This is an interesting subject. I was wondering about the report also. I try to put it in perspective from what I have read. The article focuses on Afgahnistan and Pakistan (A&P).

From what is reported, it says the terrorist are regrouping to pre-9/11 levels there. I would say 9/11 is a point in time in which people use a marker for gauging events. I don't see it as important in this case because the terrorists were conducting operations long before 9/11. 9/11 just put it on the front page of the newspapers. The report alludes to the bombers being more effective in homicide bombings. That is interesting and brings up a couple of questions for analysis. Are terrorist successfully recruiting more folks or......is our success in killing them forcing less number of bombers to resort to the "final martyr act" thereby increasing kills? I didn't read the report but wonder if that was addressed?

The Pakistan govt is a problem. They do not want us fighting the bad guys in their country and the Pakistan govt doesn't have the means to do it effectively. Sooooo....the terrorist hide out there knowing we can't get them (yet). I'm speculating our SO's are sneaking around in there but they are there looking for HVT's vs trying to conduct traditional battles. I think at some point, if the Pakistan govt doesn't let us or UN forces in there to take out the terrorists, some tough cards will have to be played.

Good topic to watch.....

Like I said, I'll keep you up to date on the progress of the fall of perception concerning the Bush Administration and the truth about 9/11 on this thread.

Today, we have Darth Cheney himself being accused of 'War Crimes' by a former colleague.
Cheney accused of war crimes

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A top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell has launched a stinging attack on US Vice-President Dick Cheney over abuse of prisoners by US troops. Col Lawrence Wilkerson accused Mr Cheney of ignoring a decision by President Bush on the treatment of prisoners in the war on terror.

The truth is coming.

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Originally posted by lokie:
Like I said, I'll keep you up to date on the progress of the fall of perception concerning the Bush Administration and the truth about 9/11 on this thread.

Today, we have Darth Cheney himself being accused of 'War Crimes' by a former colleague.
Cheney accused of war crimes

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A top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell has launched a stinging attack on US Vice-President Dick Cheney over abuse of prisoners by US troops. Col Lawrence Wilkerson accused Mr Cheney of ignoring a decision by President Bush on the treatment of prisoners in the war on terror.

The truth is coming.

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I'd be cautious using Col Wilkerson. Do a Google. He has a history of blasting the Prez and VP. His schtick is nothing new. He gives quite a few speeches at home and abroad. I suspect he doesn't do all the speeches or interviews for free. In fact, based on the number of Google hits, it's probably a pretty lucrative business he has flaming folks. I read one article about his selective use, or misuse of the facts in at least one of his speeches. He was caught.

Believers beware!!

TVC,

When do you think an elected official has earned being "flamed"? It is now the better part of a decade since the 9/11 attacks. Bin Laden has not been caught or killed; now we're reading that they are possibly as strong as they were before they were dealt a severe body blow after 9/11. Did the president not make some pretty heavy promises in the wake of the 9/11 attacks? Were we, the voting public, not promised swift and decisive action against these extremists. Now, billion upon billions of dollars later, it seems we're just waiting for the next attack. Bush and his administration should not be held accountable (or "flamed" as you put it) for not making good on their promises?

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The Pakistani government is not going to commit to a real fight against extremist groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda because they really don't want to. First, they'd probably lose. Second, if it wasn't for the U.S. government at their door, they'd most likely have never confronted the Taliban in the first place. Musharraf's choices were A.) Keep up his closet support for the Taliban, or B.) Play ball, to a certain extent, with the U.S. government and get a ton of money from American tax payers.

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Like I said, I'll keep you up to date on the progress of the fall of perception concerning the Bush Administration and the truth about 9/11 on this thread.

Can you keep us up to date on any real "truth" at all? That would be nice.

T

pitcher's worth a thousand words ...

Ok, Sinbad...just for you.

Today we have the lead author of a paper on the collapses published April 18 in a civil engineering journal. He is not curtailing his research. Interesting.

If the official version of events, the one that the Bush cronies went around selling is worth the paper it's written on, why wont they accept that version of events?

The Government itself wont accept the official version of events!

And, just for old times sake, I'll post this little ditty, just for any new blood that hasn't seen it.

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Hello again, today we have more information, this time in the way of Karen S. Johnson submitting her claims in writing the facts, or evidence of a conspiracy, concerning the events of 9/11.

Backing my claims about 9/11 questions

And since I used the naughty word (conspiracy) lets look at it a little closer. It's be nice if someone could tell us all again why "Conspiracy Theory" is such a dirty label.

And is case we have any aspiring structural engineers in the room, you may want to take a look at this. 14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center

Have fun reading.

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I've seen, as many others have several times, controlled demolitions on TV of one type of structure or another. In all of these there is one constant, the bright flash from an explosive charge along with the usual debris being cast of from these detonations and in EVERY film clip I have seen I have never seen any video evidence of these explosions. I imagine we may not see any on the second tower collapse due to the dust thrown up by the first one coming down but surely we would have seen these blast on the first one? Let me guess the cameramen were in on it? And how did they get all these explosive on the load bearing supports in the first place, let me guess the planes hitting the towers were a diversion so suicidal firemen could infiltrate the tower carrying explosives, go to a predetermined section of the tower and wait till someone on the ground hit the switch once everyone was in place.

I'm not sure how much this will help, but this caught my eye today.

Tommy Chong Doubts Official 9/11 Story

Now, normally I'd just let this go, but given the fact the Bush administration seems to be trying to make Mr. Chong's life miserable, there may be more to this, after all.

And he does bring up a few good questions about the official story.

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Well the way I read it is he upset with the Fed because they don't like the DVD about his selling bongs prosecution and he made these statements AFTER he got raided, sounds like Bong I mean Chong has a beef and is the one trying to make life miserable for the FED. I'm not saying he shouldn't I'm just saying consider the source.

"Chong made the statements amidst his involvement in a separate controversy after FBI agents raided two offices Wednesday night in in Newport and Clermont County's Union Township.

According to Chong, agents confiscated 10,000 copies of his DVD, The United States of America Vs. Tommy Chong, which is a documentary about his 2003 federal prosecution for selling bong pipes on the Internet."

Ok, today's news comes from a bigger source, ABC.net and has something to think about.

9/11 unanswered questions

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At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training's official finding that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires.

So, it appears that there are many many more that are doubting the official story and a whole lot of these people have outstanding credentials , demolition experts etc.

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Current research indicates that an incendiary (thermite) may have been used to sever the massive box columns of the towers, causing the buildings to plummet to the ground at close to free-fall speed.

This is interesting, I was wondering why YouTube just pulled a video that showed Termite being used on the WTC's on 9/11. Here.

So, use of thermite at the WTC, molten metal? How can that be?

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Today we have Jesse Ventura whose wondering why the media was so quick to 'witch hunt' him after he simply "questioned" the official version of events on 9/11/01.

Ventura stated:

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I can't believe how I simply asked some questions and the way you're attacked....has our country really become that - that you're not even allowed to publicly question the government," added the former Governor, who labeled the response to his comments "eye opening".

Ventura Slams Media Witch Hunt For Questioning 9/11

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Anti-Semite!

Now, I've heard them all...they usually go unpunished, but hey, the Brits bloodied the nose of Thomas Paine many times while they occupied Philadelphia for writing 'Common Sense'.

Here we have the lowest of the low, winging the ol' "ANTI-SEMITE" charge against anyone who questions the official version of the events surrounding 9/11. Only, never mind the Jews that want the truth, too. So what are they?

Are Those Who Question 9/11 Anti-Semites?

Me thinks the end is coming soon.

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