I told MarkLF and others here that it was coming. And it is coming, as I predicted. Anyhoo...

A ballot-proposal will soon make its way to Arizona voters that will propose that birth certificates be withheld from all children of illegal-aliens born in Arizona.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20071203-1556...ants-birthright.html

Measures would target birthright citizenship


By Paul Davenport
ASSOCIATED PRESS

3:56 p.m. December 3, 2007

PHOENIX – Arizona voters may be asked to decide whether to prohibit the state from issuing birth certificates to children of non-U.S. citizens and require hospitals to check the citizenship of parents of newborns.
Those are key provisions of a proposed initiative filed Friday for possible inclusion on the November 2008 ballot, and a leading legislative critic of illegal immigration says he plans similar but separate legislation to take the issue to voters.

Della Montgomery, the woman who filed the proposed initiative with the Secretary of State's Office, did not immediately return a call for comment Monday, but the proposed “Birthright Citizenship Alignment Act” appears to be aimed at illegal immigration.

“They are awarding the full privileges of United States citizenship of all persons born in the state without regard for the clear and equal requirements of federal law that a person born in the United States, shall citizenship be bestowed, shall not be subject to any foreign power and owe direct and immediate allegiance to the United States,” the proposed initiative's declaration of purpose states.

Some critics of illegal immigration contend that the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment has been misapplied and was never intended to automatically grant citizenship to babies of illegal immigrants.

The constitutional provision was enacted after the Civil War and was meant to apply to former slaves, said Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa. “It has nothing to do with aliens.”

Supporters of the proposed initiative would need to submit signatures of at least 153,365 voters by July 3 to qualify the measure for the ballot, while legislative approval alone would be enough to put a referendum being drafted by Pearce on the ballot.

While generally banning issuance of birth certificates to non-citizens, the measure would permit one to be issued to a child whose mother is a foreign citizen and whose father is a U.S. citizen if the father formally acknowledges parentage and agrees in writing to financially support the child until adulthood.

The initiative also would require that hospitals submit “certified documentation of the parents' United States legal status” to local registrars with birth certificates for newborns.

Arizona Hospital and Healthcare Association officials did not immediately return a call for comment.

Pearce said he has no involvement with the initiative campaign other than to twice speak on the phone with the applicant, Della Montgomery, to review her proposed wording.

“I helped tweak it a little bit,” he said. “What she gave me looked pretty good.”

What will they do with the young kids when the parents get deported? I think it is a good thing but I worry about the kids left behind

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What will they do with the young kids when the parents get deported?

I have a ground breaking, earth shattering idea! Send the children home WITH their parents. This keeps the home unit together with their loved ones in a known, loving village. And as we all know, it takes a village...

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Originally posted by Stormer:
What will they do with the young kids when the parents get deported? I think it is a good thing but I worry about the kids left behind

Stormer, I think that the idea of this Arizona proposition is to make the kids born in the U.S. of illegal-aliens illegal-aliens too. So, if this proposition was to pass and then somehow ruled as being constitutional, well, the kids might likely become deported right along with their parents (or parent).

I don't necessarily agree with calling anchor-babies illegal-aliens along with the parents, by the way. But I do think that many, many folks, highly-esteemed lawyers included, consider the 14th Amendment and how it applies to anchor-babies as still being unsettled law. And so I think that there will be more states which will put this issue on their ballot. But Arizona is apparently the first state that will do this. Arizona leads the way, again.

I say 'right on!' Arizona.

Never did like anything arbitrarily decided, as in just because circumstances permitted you to be born here is not an automatic free ticket to stay. Sounds a little strang to say that though, doesn't it? But it makes perfect sense that if the parents have no intention of making the United States of America their permanent home, obey the laws of the land and disavow any/all allegences to foreign powers then they should be deported along with their offspring... that would be the right thing to do.

That being said, if the offspring are old enough to allocute, or obtain legal counsel, and argue a case to remain, then hey too should be heard and given their say. Like I said, I don't like arbitrariness.

I guess these kids would be considered "Fruits of a poisonous tree."

Don

I guess AZ has plenty of money to fight the Federal lawsuit that will follow. AZ doesn't get to choose which parts of the Constitution it wants to follow and which it wishes to ignore. Another political hyperbolic headline that means little.

Lawsuits brought forth by criminal aliens. Wonderful!

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Originally posted by Hooligan1790:
I guess AZ has plenty of money to fight the Federal lawsuit that will follow. AZ doesn't get to choose which parts of the Constitution it wants to follow and which it wishes to ignore. Another political hyperbolic headline that means little.

What Arizona has isn't necessarily money. What Arizona definitely does have is a vast majority of voting citizens who are wanting the madness of this invasion of particularly our own state stopped, reversed, and then forever prevented from ever happening again. What we want is a return to law and order.

Wouldn't you admit that the "anchor babies" are an inconsequential part of the larger problem of illegal immigration. I hear all kinds of stories about adult undocumented immigrants stealing American jobs (along with other things), and abusing our social welfare system -- and some of these stories make valid points. Where are the "horror stories" about the anchor babies?

...gjd

When I finally get to vote on this proposal, I'll likely vote against it. I mean, it's not like we're not going to need citizens. Certainly once the conflagration that's coming does finally begin, we're likely going to need all of those anchor-babies as draftees to fill up our needed infantry companies of that coming time with.

Disagreed,

"Lawsuits brought forth by criminal aliens. Wonderful!"

People that are born in this Country are not "criminal aliens"!

Marklf

This will be the biggest waste of time and money that the state of Arizona ever had! As I have pointed out to Desertbus on several occasions this issue has been settled by the Supreme Court in the Kim Wong Ark case over 100 years ago! Rep. Russell Pearce should research the facts before he makes any more inaccurate statements or introduces more unconstitutional legislation.

Marklf

Desertbus,

"What we want is a return to law and order."

No if someone wants "law and order" that would mean that they are willing to follow the law of the land which is the US CONSTITUTION! This proposal violates that law and therefore is anti-law and order!

Marklf

Interesting. Didn't x-Gov Davis of California come up with the bright idea of Prop 182 that pretty much killed his political status? Seems he was trying to do the same thing back in the mid 90's because our own govt wouldn't do anything about the flow of leaches crossing the borders. So, now looks like Az is doing the same thing, only one little bit at a time.

Mark, the lawsuit will be brought up by the parents… the illegal aliens. Oh, and those kids born here to illegal aliens SHOULD remain aliens. True, it is not their fault that their parents were illegally here but that does not change the fact that their parents were illegally here.

Disagreed,

" Oh, and those kids born here to illegal aliens SHOULD remain aliens. True, it is not their fault that their parents were illegally here but that does not change the fact that their parents were illegally here."

So we should hold the children responsible for the actions of their parents? Interesting concept! Would you want to be held responsible for the actions of your parents?

Marklf

hey, let's put crack babies in jail with thier mothers.....they should be punished for taking the same drugs.......

Mark, you are holding the parents accountable for their actions. Those children are the responsibility of the parents. As for being held accountable for my parent’s indiscretions; isn’t that what the idea of ‘reparations’? Aren’t we being held accountable for the actions of our ‘ancestors’.

Sac, crack babies are entirely different. Their parents, who SHOULD be responsible for their babies, are incapable of doing so due to their addiction, so society must protect the baby. Illegal aliens are capable of taking care of their babies and should remain responsible for their offspring. Two very different tales of woe.

Constitution= born on soverign ground (includes foriegn military bases) US Citizen.

Want to change the constitution just get 33 states to agree, should only take 30 or so years.

The AZ initiative may state they are not citizens of AZ but you will need a contitutional ammendment to say they aren't US.

I would vote against any type of ammendment on this one.

later

cliff