A California Appeals Court has upheld a 1953 law that students age 6 to 18 in California must attend a full time school, either public or private, and must be taught by credentialed teachers. As many as 160,000 kids are affected. Homeschooling is OK if the instructor is a certified teacher. The court held that "parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children". Next stop: State Supreme Court. This should be interesting to watch. Just curious, is there much of an Amish population in California? This would really ruffle their feathers.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/MNJDVF0F1.DTL

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The court held that "parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children".

A fine example of government intervention on parental rights. If these liberal winnies keep it up, there is going to be a revolution in our future. Remember what Billary said, "It takes a village". Well I say bullcrap and she's the village idiot!!!

What do you expect from the state that passed a law prohibiting adults from smoking in the personally owned vehicles while a minor is in the car?

California is leading the way for the federal government to come right into your home. This is just another step. Soon you won't be able to smoke in your house either.

Bush stated during the State of the Union Addrress that he wants to start the Pel Grants for kids program, a multi billion dollar venture, to send kids to private schools instead of sinking money directly into the problem and fixing our public school system.

Fact: Private schooled kids are doing better on the ACT & SAT tests. Home schooled kids are blowing the private schooled kids away on those tests.

What's wrong with that picture? Is it a wonder that our nation ranks 27th in the world when it comes to education?

WHEN WILL ALL THE SHEEP WAKE THE **** UP AND REALIZE THAT WE NEED A REVOLUTION!?!

Who is backing this, the NEA?

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Originally posted by TVCJohn:
Who is backing this, the NEA?

Never mind, I read the article.....

There are alot of advantages in all 3 categories. Home, public and private there are also disadvantages.

But I don't believe that the fed's should be determining that a child go to a certified school with certified teachers.

Look at some of the great minds that were home schooled.

I'm not one, nor should anyone else, tell someone they can't or should not homeschool their kids but from my experiences I don't think it's a good idea. I've met more than a couple of young adults, who were homeschooled, through work and college and all of them were quite socially inept. They did not know how to handle many different types of social interactions particulary conflict resolution.

I went to public school and my sister was homeschooled, she graduated the same year I did.
I went on to do other things as did she.

While she was in college I met alot of her homeschooled friends and alot of them went on to get very affluent jobs.

I married a homeschooler who if you didn't know it would never know. I think it depends so much on the individual.

Having been to public school there are plenty of kids there that had a hard time being in public.

Let me ask you this, do you hear of homeschoolers going on killing sprees in high schools?

I am not saying one is better then the other, I think you have to evaluate each kid and let the parents make the final call.

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Originally posted by Mazski9:
. . . A fine example of government intervention on parental rights. If these liberal winnies keep it up, there is going to be a revolution in our future. Remember what Billary said, "It takes a village". Well I say bullcrap and she's the village idiot!!!

Don't blame Clinton for a 1953 California law -- she has enough negatives on her own.

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But I don't believe that the fed's should be determining that a child go to a certified school with certified teachers.

It's not a federal law.

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Look at some of the great minds that were home schooled.

I'm sure there have been some. . . But namely?

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Just curious, is there much of an Amish population in California?

Acording to this source, No.

A "free public education" ("government schools, if you're against them) is one of the early, post Constitution, bedrocks of this country -- leading to greatness! (IM not-so-H O)

...gjd

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Let me ask you this, do you hear of homeschoolers going on killing sprees in high schools?

Maybe just at Religious Centers.

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. . . Matthew Murray attended school for kindergarten and first grade but could not focus or pay attention, so the family decided to school him at home, Loretta Murray said.

Internet postings believed to have been written by Matthew rage against the strict biblical curriculum his parents used. But Loretta Murray said Matthew chose each year to continue home schooling.

In the statement to The AP, the Murrays' spokeswoman said Matthew wanted to be homeschooled, passing on the chance to attend "regular school," and talked just a few months ago about enjoying homeschool.

I'm not saying this was the "fault" of home schooling, but neither were the cases of "killing sprees" at public high schools the fault of government provided education.

...gjd

you are right, the feds don't mandate education. The state and teacher unions do.

Here are some of the famous home schoolers, it's right of off christianhomeschoolers.com

ARTISTS:

Leonardo da Vinci | Books About Leonardo Da Vinci
Claude Monet | Books About Claude Monet
John Singleton Copley | Books About John Singleton Copley
Andrew Wyeth | Books About Andrew Wyeth
Jamie Wyeth | Books About Jamie Wyeth
COMPOSERS:

Irving Berlin | Books About Irving Berlin
Anton Bruckner | Books About Anton Bruckner
Felix Mendelssohn | Books About Felix Mendelssohn
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart | Books About Wolfgang Amadeuz Mozart
Francis Poulenc | Books About Francis Poulenc
EDUCATORS:

Frederick Terman (Stanford University President) | Books About Frederick Terman
William Samuel Johnson (Columbia University President) | Books About William Samuel Johnson
Frank Vandiver (Texas A&M University President) | Books About Frank Vandiver
John Witherspoon (Princeton University President) | Books About John Witherspoon
GENERALS:

Stonewall Jackson | Books About Stonewall Jackson
Robert E. Lee | Books About Robert E. Lee
Douglas MacArthur | Books About Douglas MacArthur
George Patton | Books About George Patton
INVENTORS:

Alexander Graham Bell | Books About Alexander Graham Bell
Thomas Edison | Books About Thomas Edison
Cyrus McCormick | Books About Cyrus McCormick
Wright Brothers: Orville and Wilbur Wright | Books About Wright Brothers
PRESIDENTS:

John Quincy Adams
William Henry Harrison
Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
James Madison
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
John Tyler
George Washington
Woodrow Wilson
PREACHERS & RELIGIOUS LEADERS:

Moses
Joan of Arc
John the Baptist
William Cary
Jonathan Edwards
Phillip Melanchthon
Dwight L. Moody
John Newton
John Owen
Charles Wesley
John Wesley
Brigham Young
SCIENTISTS:

George Washington Carver
Pierre Curie
Albert Einstein
Blaise Pascal
Booker T. Washington
STATESMEN:

Konrad Adenauer
Winston Churchill
Benjamin Franklin
Patrick Henry
William Penn
Henry Clay
U.S SUPPREME COURT JUDGES:

John Jay
John Marshall
John Rutledge
WRITERS:

Hans Christian Andersen
Pearl S. Buck
Agatha Christie
Charles Dickens
Bret Harte
C.S. Lewis
Sean O'Casey
George Bernard Shaw
Mark Twain
Mercy Warren
Daniel Webster
Phillis Wheatley
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION DELEGATES:

Richard Basset (Governor of Delaware)
William Blount (U.S. Senator)
George Clymer (U.S. Representative)
William Few (U.S. Senator)
Benjamin Franklin (Inventor and Statesman)
William Houston (Lawyer)
William S. Johnson (President of Columbia C.)
William Livingston (Governor of New Jersey)
James Madison - 4th President of the U.S.
George Mason
John Francis Mercer (U.S. Representative)
Charles Pickney III (Governor of S. Carolina)
John Rutledge (Chief Justice U.S. Supreme Court)
Richard D. Spaight (Governor of N. Carolina)
George Washington - 1st President of the U.S.
John Witherspoon (President of Princeton U.)
George Wythe (Justice of Virginia High Court)
OTHERS:

Abigail Adams (Wife of John Adams)
Ansel Adams (Photographer)
Clara Barton (Started the Red Cross)
John Burroughs (Naturalist)
Andrew Carnegie (Industrialist)
Charles Chaplin (Actor)
George Rogers Clark - Explorer
Noel Coward (Playwright)
John Paul Jones (Father of the American Navy)
Sandra Day O'Connor
Tamara McKinney (World Cup Skier)
John Stuart Mill (Economist)
Charles Louis Montesquieu (Philosopher)
Florence Nightingale (Nurse)
Sally Ride (Astronaut)
Bill Ridell (Newspaperman)
George Rogers Clark (Explorer)
Will Rogers (Humorist)
Jim Ryan (World Runner)
Albert Schweitzer (Physician)
Leo Tolstoy
Martha Washington (Wife of George Washington)

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The state and teacher unions do (mandate public education)

Come on!

Even as a strong trade unionist, I don't agree with many of the positions and tactics of the two major teachers unions, but they don't have the power to "mandate" anything. Of course, they wish they did.

As far as requiring state certification or credential-ling for teachers, I wouldn't want my children to be taught by anyone who can't prove they are qualified. I believe that this should also apply to home schooling. Logical, if nothing else.

...gjd

I do think you make a good point, how ever though, if that is the case shouldn't there also be qualifications for having a child?

I think I am getting into heavily defending home schooling, as I said before I think it should be up to the parents to make a decision. My parents wanted to homeschool me but sent me to public school, my borther was sent to private, home and public school. I think we are all okay. (I joined the CG didn't I?)

Also I know a huge amount of people that were home schooled and joined the military too.

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Don't blame Clinton for a 1953 California law -- she has enough negatives on her own.

I'm not blaming Hillary for the 1953 California law. However, one of the stupidest things ever to come out of her mouth was "It takes a village to raise a child". That may work in Africa but here it takes loving and committed (to the children) parents. Maybe, just maybe, if she and her liberal democrat cronies would fight for the American family instead of this "village" crap (socialism), our children would be much better off.

Absolutely, they need to have a teacher's certificate ... have you seen the way some of these crazy evangelicals spell on this forum?

I went to private catholic schools my whole life and my spelling sucks and my writing skills aren't much better. Don't blame the home schoolers for bad grammmer!

Peace,
Dick

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Originally posted by Mazski9:

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Don't blame Clinton for a 1953 California law -- she has enough negatives on her own.

I'm not blaming Hillary for the 1953 California law. However, one of the stupidest things ever to come out of her mouth was "It takes a village to raise a child". That may work in Africa but here it takes loving and committed (to the children) parents. Maybe, just maybe, if she and her liberal democrat cronies would fight for the American family instead of this "village" crap (socialism), our children would be much better off.

Mazski,

I think you're misinterpreting what she meant by "village" comment. What she meant by "it takes a village to raise a child" was all the people that come into contact with a child throughout their young life, i.e. teachers, coaches, churches, mentors, all contribute to their future well being.

Do these people all not contribute? They should be supported. Support them, you support the children.

This is not socialism at least not in the political sense, which you seemed to allude to. It's simply society protecting it's own future.

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Originally posted by asm3driscoll:
I went to private catholic schools my whole life . . . my writing skills aren't much better.

Steve... You mean those nuns didn't teach you the Palmer Method of penmanship . . . drawing all those concentric circles for hours on end.

If you had been assigned Sister Oswald Marie, you would have learned to spell to avoid getting rapped on the back of the head with her ring.

...gjd

...gjd

which school was that? I also went for about 2 years to catholic school and they never did that to any student.

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Originally posted by jellio2000:
Here are some of the famous home schoolers, it's right of off christianhomeschoolers.com

ARTISTS:

Leonardo da Vinci | Books About Leonardo Da Vinci
Claude Monet | Books About Claude Monet
John Singleton Copley | Books About John Singleton Copley
Andrew Wyeth | Books About Andrew Wyeth
Jamie Wyeth | Books About Jamie Wyeth
COMPOSERS:

Irving Berlin | Books About Irving Berlin
Anton Bruckner | Books About Anton Bruckner
Felix Mendelssohn | Books About Felix Mendelssohn
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart | Books About Wolfgang Amadeuz Mozart
Francis Poulenc | Books About Francis Poulenc
EDUCATORS:

Frederick Terman (Stanford University President) | Books About Frederick Terman
William Samuel Johnson (Columbia University President) | Books About William Samuel Johnson
Frank Vandiver (Texas A&M University President) | Books About Frank Vandiver
John Witherspoon (Princeton University President) | Books About John Witherspoon
GENERALS:

Stonewall Jackson | Books About Stonewall Jackson
Robert E. Lee | Books About Robert E. Lee
Douglas MacArthur | Books About Douglas MacArthur
George Patton | Books About George Patton
INVENTORS:

Alexander Graham Bell | Books About Alexander Graham Bell
Thomas Edison | Books About Thomas Edison
Cyrus McCormick | Books About Cyrus McCormick
Wright Brothers: Orville and Wilbur Wright | Books About Wright Brothers
PRESIDENTS:

John Quincy Adams
William Henry Harrison
Thomas Jefferson
Abraham Lincoln
James Madison
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
John Tyler
George Washington
Woodrow Wilson
PREACHERS & RELIGIOUS LEADERS:

Moses
Joan of Arc
John the Baptist
William Cary
Jonathan Edwards
Phillip Melanchthon
Dwight L. Moody
John Newton
John Owen
Charles Wesley
John Wesley
Brigham Young
SCIENTISTS:

George Washington Carver
Pierre Curie
Albert Einstein
Blaise Pascal
Booker T. Washington
STATESMEN:

Konrad Adenauer
Winston Churchill
Benjamin Franklin
Patrick Henry
William Penn
Henry Clay
U.S SUPPREME COURT JUDGES:

John Jay
John Marshall
John Rutledge
WRITERS:

Hans Christian Andersen
Pearl S. Buck
Agatha Christie
Charles Dickens
Bret Harte
C.S. Lewis
Sean O'Casey
George Bernard Shaw
Mark Twain
Mercy Warren
Daniel Webster
Phillis Wheatley
CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION DELEGATES:

Richard Basset (Governor of Delaware)
William Blount (U.S. Senator)
George Clymer (U.S. Representative)
William Few (U.S. Senator)
Benjamin Franklin (Inventor and Statesman)
William Houston (Lawyer)
William S. Johnson (President of Columbia C.)
William Livingston (Governor of New Jersey)
James Madison - 4th President of the U.S.
George Mason
John Francis Mercer (U.S. Representative)
Charles Pickney III (Governor of S. Carolina)
John Rutledge (Chief Justice U.S. Supreme Court)
Richard D. Spaight (Governor of N. Carolina)
George Washington - 1st President of the U.S.
John Witherspoon (President of Princeton U.)
George Wythe (Justice of Virginia High Court)
OTHERS:

Abigail Adams (Wife of John Adams)
Ansel Adams (Photographer)
Clara Barton (Started the Red Cross)
John Burroughs (Naturalist)
Andrew Carnegie (Industrialist)
Charles Chaplin (Actor)
George Rogers Clark - Explorer
Noel Coward (Playwright)
John Paul Jones (Father of the American Navy)
Sandra Day O'Connor
Tamara McKinney (World Cup Skier)
John Stuart Mill (Economist)
Charles Louis Montesquieu (Philosopher)
Florence Nightingale (Nurse)
Sally Ride (Astronaut)
Bill Ridell (Newspaperman)
George Rogers Clark (Explorer)
Will Rogers (Humorist)
Jim Ryan (World Runner)
Albert Schweitzer (Physician)
Leo Tolstoy
Martha Washington (Wife of George Washington)

lol what a crock....you know some didn't have the chance to attend a school in the first place......

Hey these are some you missed;

cavemen
girls in muslim countries
the huns
the vikings
slaves
batboy
sweatshop kids

why not come up with a list of ppl that have lived since in the modern time rather than anyone before that.......i'm surprised you don't have jesus, noah, adam, eve, and all the saints on your list.