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From an editorial in the Houston Chronicle on August 10, 2008
The whole article here: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5935532.html Any thoughts? |
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There is a school of thought based on the Theory of Cells which argues that "all living organisms are made of cells and, in fact, cells are living organisms themselves."
Looking at the human sperm cell and egg cell, artificial contraception prevents the sperm cell fuse into the female's egg cell. If a human egg cell is not fertilized within a certain amount of time, it dies and passes on. Likewise, sperm cells which do not enter an egg cell also die off and are passed on. Those who hold to the cell theory believe that life begins before conception - with each individual sperm or egg cell gamete. Had a priest explain to me that this is the reasoning behind the Roman Catholic Church's policy against artifical birth control. He went on to explain that he thought that killing sperm or egg cells were tantamont to murder - same as abortion of a fetus. I wanted to make a counter argument that with his logic, each time a celibat nun had her period and passed an unfertilized egg, wasn't she guilty of murder? When a male has a nocternal emission or commits self-abuse, isn't he guilty of the murder of billions of lives? I decided not to make that argument. Anyway, this is the reason why some might object to assisting with artificial contraception services. However, I question if this proposed executive order is the right thing for the President to do. That said, executive orders can always be recended by a presidential successor later. mw |
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There are differing opinions on this, to be sure. And, not just between pro-choice and anti-abortion people, but intra-anti-abortion (if that makes sense) arguments, as well.
I wonder how many of those who are so vehemently opposed to abortion use birth control, and what they would think about someone referring to them as a murderer because they do so? Dogma rears its ugly head once more. |
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11/14/08: Member suspended 30 days for obscene posts. |
President Bush, for once, has a good idea ... I am fully opposed to my tax dollars going for sperm control for poor people. If they want to have sex, let them do it on their own dime. Let them have as many babies as possible ... full-time pregnancy for all poor people, I say.
Wait ... do I have to pay for that, too? |
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Here we have a dogmatic approach eh...My way or the highway...If you don't agree with me..ya da ya da....From the guy that likes to go around stating that if you are not against the war on terror...you are complicit in murderer. You couldn't write this stuff! |
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So let’s see…
If I say that I am pro-life, I am peddling my dogma. If I say that I am pro-abortion, I am enlightened and open-minded. If I say that I want freedom of religion, I am peddling my dogma. If I say that all Christians are violent religious zealots, I am enlightened and open-minded. If I say that people should be responsible for raising the children they create, I am peddling my dogma. If I say that the society should pay for the results of unprotected sex by some people, I am enlightened and open-minded. If I want my taxes to be lowered, I am peddling my dogma. If I want YOU to pay more taxes, I am enlightened and open-minded. And only ONE side is peddling their dogma? I think someone’s on dogma is hiding the forest in the trees…  That said, I’d rather support birth control than abortions! Where does that fall on the foolish frigging dogma scale? |
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Reading the article, it appears this proposed rule making only effects laws which protect health service employees from refusing to partiticpate in something that they feel is wrong. Not seeing a huge problem here. If someone refuses to presicribe or perform, you got to someone that will.
And as far as insurance not covering birth control, don't have issues with that either as its not a necessary medical problem. |
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Reminds me of the song from a Monty Python movie;
"Every Sperm is sacred" Why is it the same crowd that loathes paying for contraception doesn't blink an eye when Viagra is offered up? Personally, I'd like to see the government get out of the Arts and Birth Control business and cut the child welfare support and tax deductions to a maximum of two children. |
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"going to talk and cause suspicion..." |
I think we should make rubbers available to all to keep the STD's under controll as well as prevent these young kids who get sexually active while very young from getting pregnant.
Its just another form of "gun control"! There's a lot of cheeky monkeys out there! |
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Let's see, a woman goes into WalMart to fill a prescription for birth control pills and they refuse to fill it because of their beliefs. But then she drives five miles to the other WalMart and they help her. This could get very confusing...
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TJ,
Now, now. It is not dogma but hyperbole. If I say I'm pro-choice I am labeled pro-abortion. Now there is dogma. |
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Dick,
According to some folks rubbers cause sex like needles cause drug use.  |
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Yeah, but isn't Viagra covered by insurance? Do you have a problem with that? |
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Pat, pro-choice is the politically correct label for certain death for the unwanted baby. One could call it a death sentence and be more accurate than pro-choice. But again, that's my dogma because I am not enlightened. I want to hold people accountable for the results of their actions... that's my dogma, right?
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11/14/08: Member suspended 30 days for obscene posts. |
My brother in law peddled his dogma once ... while the leash was still on. The dogma crossed in front of his bike. Brother in law went straight over the handlebars for a compound fracture. He don't peddle his dogma no more.
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Soc, keep him out of boats, too, or he'll start paddling dogma. Some people never learn!
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Who let the dogma out?
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Erectile disfunction is a medical condition. So, that doesn't quite equate to birth control pills. Not getting knocked up is not a medical condition and there are easily purchased contraceptives that do the same job. Few bucks a three pack last time I bought em. However, I don't think I'd have a problem if insurance didn't cover Viagra. |
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