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I am asking all who will look at the two incidents to judge and see if something stands out about the words spoken by President Obama.

Judge and think about the message our President sent to us the American public concerning both incidents.

I know the two occurances were very different one was much more tragic than the other.

For me the message President Obama sent to the American in each occurance is what stands out.

If this thread goes any where I will post my feeling about the Presidents comments on both incidents when the discussion gets rolling.
 
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This thread should go somewhere alright.
 
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This thread should go somewhere alright.


Nice to see the open minded are up and about...

If there is going to be President questioning, can it only be Republican President questioning?

Two opening minutes devoted to a "shout out"...Sales first. It was a bit of a different approach than he used when he was speaking about the "gates" incident. Once he finally got to the point of the press conference, he didn't choose to jump to conclusions.
 
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Maybe the President actually learned from the Professor Gates debacle and is not going to jump to conclusions about this incident until he has the actual facts.

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Maybe...

Or maybe he didn't get all excited, because it wasn't an "us" against "them" scenario.
 
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Maybe...

Or maybe he didn't get all excited, because it wasn't an "us" against "them" scenario.


Huh?? Who is "us" and who is "them"?

Marklf
 
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So he makes stupid remarks about the Gates incident without having all the facts and is rightly called out on it.

Now he urges people not to rush to judgement without having all the facts, and he's called out for that.

What would you have prefered he said?

At some point, and I think were getting really close if not already there, nobody is going to listen when there's a legitimate complaint. They really should have had a childrens story that could have taught this lesson growing up....maybe about wolves or something like that.
 
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So he makes stupid remarks about the Gates incident without having all the facts and is rightly called out on it.

Now he urges people not to rush to judgement without having all the facts, and he's called out for that.


At least he's consistent! Wink Big Grin
 
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Maybe...

Or maybe he didn't get all excited, because it wasn't an "us" against "them" scenario.


Huh?? Who is "us" and who is "them"?

Marklf


Think about it for a minute...Use Reverend Wright as an example.
 
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Originally posted by scrounge:
Maybe...

Or maybe he didn't get all excited, because it wasn't an "us" against "them" scenario.


Huh?? Who is "us" and who is "them"?

Marklf


Think about it for a minute...Use Reverend Wright as an example.


OK I thought about it for a minute and now not only do I not know who is "us" and who is "them", I also have no idea wat the Reverend Wright has to do with any of this????? Confused

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I find it absolutely pathetic that anyone can take the Fort Hood shooting and attempt to create yet another partisan discussion out of the event.

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I find it absolutely pathetic that anyone can take the Fort Hood shooting and attempt to create yet another partisan discussion out of the event.


Amen!
 
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OK here's a reply yes I know the Ft Hood incident was awful and should not be politized.

There comes a time when we need a Commander in Chief not the former leader of ACORN.

To discredit the thin blue line yes our Law Enforcement Agencies that keep us safe everyday is irresponsible and lacking any good judgement at all.

We should wait to draw conclusions on the Ft Hood situation until we have all the facts.

It is my belief the stand the President took on the Gates matter the North Korean situation the Election in Iran the dismanteling of missile systems His relationship to Israel. etc etc. These actions may make him look sympathic to the man that carried out the terrible acts at Ft Hood.

The news media started spinning it from the very start.

he didnot want ot deploy
his fellow soldiers made fun of him and his religion.
the stress of war was getting to him.
he was a loner.

We need to keep a running tab on president Obama, keep a list of his actions......
 
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Jump in defend your stand!!
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This thread should go somewhere alright.
 
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This is the so called leader of the free world just how much education does he have. Seems to me he thinks he is the smartist man in the room.. Do we pay this guy for on the job training???
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Maybe the President actually learned from the Professor Gates debacle and is not going to jump to conclusions about this incident until he has the actual facts.

Marklf
 
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I would prefere he act like a President and not some get even liberal..
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So he makes stupid remarks about the Gates incident without having all the facts and is rightly called out on it.

Now he urges people not to rush to judgement without having all the facts, and he's called out for that.

What would you have prefered he said?

At some point, and I think were getting really close if not already there, nobody is going to listen when there's a legitimate complaint. They really should have had a childrens story that could have taught this lesson growing up....maybe about wolves or something like that.
 
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I just don't see what is wrong with this statement:

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Good morning. I want to begin by offering an update on the tragedy that took place yesterday at Fort Hood.

This morning I met with FBI Director Mueller and the relevant agencies to discuss their ongoing investigation into what caused one individual to turn his gun on fellow servicemen and women. We don't know all the answers yet and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts.

What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday in one of the worst mass shootings ever to take place on an American military base. So from now until Veterans Day I've ordered the flags at the White House and other federal buildings to be flown at half-staff. This is a modest tribute to those who lost their lives even as many were preparing to risk their lives for their country. And it's also recognition of the men and women who put their lives on the line everyday to protect our safety and uphold our values. We honor their service, we stand in awe of their sacrifice, and we pray for the safety of those who fight and for the families of those who have fallen. And as we continue to learn more about what happened at Fort Hood, this administration will continue to provide you updates in the coming days and weeks.


Here is his initial comments on the incident, and again, I don't know where the complaint is:

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But as some of you might have heard, there has been a tragic shooting at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas. We don't yet know all the details at this moment. We will share them as we get them.

What we do know is that a number of American soldiers have been killed, and even more have been wounded in a horrific outburst of violence.

My immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and with the families of the fallen and with those who live and serve at Fort Hood.

These are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk and at times give their lives to protect the rest of us on a daily basis.

It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas.

It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil.

I've spoken to Secretary Gates and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, and I will continue to receive a constant stream of updates as new information comes in.

We are working with the Pentagon, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, all to ensure that Fort Hood is secure and we will continue to support the community with the full resources of the federal government. In the meantime, I would ask all Americans to keep the men and women of Fort Hood in your thoughts and prayers. We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident, and I want all of you to know that as commander-in-chief, there's no greater honor, but also no greater responsibility for me than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for an that their safety and security when they are at home is provided for.

So we are going to stay on this, but I hope in the meantime that all of you recognize the scope of this tragedy and keep everybody in their thoughts and prayers. Again, thank you for your participation here today. I am confident that this is going to be resulting in terrific work between this government and your governments in the weeks, the months and years to come.

God bless you and God bless the United States of America.

Thank you.


I agree completely that he handled the incident with the professor very poorly and the negative reaction to his comments were appropriate. I just fail to see what he said here that would lead people to believe he said something inappropriate, and don't see what he should have said differently.
 
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Do we pay this guy for on the job training???


Every president is paid to do 'OJT'. No one knows exactly what the job is until they have served in the position for some time.
 
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The President has acted responsible so far with the FT Hood tragedy.

He acted Irresponsible with the Professor Gates incident I ask why the difference??
 
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The President has acted responsible so far with the FT Hood tragedy.


So whats the problem then?
 
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