To all illegal aliens: Have we got a deal for you!! Welcome to America!


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Watch and listen and enjoy America!

Lilegal Aliens are being deported down here in LA Border patrol on the Mexican border Border Patrol in Texas

And the hits just keep on rolling.

Yes,

After treating them like this, deporting them is the least we could do. These farmers ought to be rotting in jail not receiving civil penalties.

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DJ, the business owner should be fined for hiring illegal aliens and for treating them poorly. Two wrongs do not make a right.

But think for just a second. President Obama said that NO illegal alien will be given healthcare. When he said it I said that amnesty was coming! I was right. Political spin! He didn’t lie because he will make ALL illegal aliens legal. And they will vote democrat. And all will be right with the world.

Ain’t power grand?!

FINED?! FOR "TREATING THEM POORLY"? You act as if these farmers were just talking to them in a stern tone. TJ, those farmers (business owners) ought to be in jail, this isn't even sharecropping, its slavery, period.

Relax DJ!

Fined, put in jail… I don’t know the details about the situation. I think that people that knowingly hire illegal aliens should be fined harshly. And those that treat them worse than animals should be out in jail. Does that spell it out better for you? I didn’t know that I had to determine the punishment for a crime for which I do not know the details.

I do not endorse treating illegal aliens poorly. They are people and my heart goes out to them. But they need to come here the right way… the legal way.

Also, if you think that most farmers can pay a $500,000 fine, you don't know a lot about farming!

Since most liberals and the rest of the world think we are exploiting our poor illegal aliens anyway, I would like to propose new legislation.
How about we sentence anyone caught violating our borders to LIFE in involuntary servitude - with no appeal and no parole‽ The ministry of slave labor could rent out these felons to "big agriculture" or "big industry" and rack up big bucks for liberal social programs.

By the way, I DO endorse treating illegal aliens poorly. They have NO business being here, they are stealing from tax-paying Americans, they are taking jobs American citizens need, and they are contributing to a general lack of respect for the law.

When MY ancestors came to Texas (then a part of Mexico), THEY APPLIED for citizenship and jumped through the hoops laid out by the government of Coahuila y Texas. I would expect the same of Mexicans wishing to come here.

I favor liberal immigration policies. The red man was here first, but you other folks are welcome, too. Seriously, I favor liberal immigration policies. I object to socialist policies, such as government run health care. I don't see how forcing foriegn born people to comply with those policies make the socialism any worse.

People may scream about illegal immigration but the fact is that our system caters to these people.

Finance companies and lenders even have a standing practice of allowing these people to set up and use what amounts to bogus credit files (fake ss number, sometimes even name) knowingly.

Even when they run their credit it is usually stated at the top of the report. SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER USED HAS NEVER BEEN ISSUED, but lenders really could care less.

We allow foreigners who are not here legally to open bank accounts, buy property (land, houses), obtain business licenses, form corporations as sole owners, etc....Go into Mexico and don't apply for an FM3 card (Required for ******s in Mexico) and try to do any of those things.

Basically if an Illegal can get past the border they are set!

Also I would ask myself what would I do in their situations and I'm sure there could be cases where if I was in the same situation as some of these people I would come over illegally as well. Why not? My own country has no jobs and those that do work only make $10 a day or less.

I think it's more a fault of bad government than it is of many of these wretched folks.

OK, I got around to watching the youtube of Lou Dobbs, and agree that the proposed amnesty bill is too liberal. However, disturbingly, I find mysef agreeing with Moe again, immigration problems are the fault of bad government, not of the good folks that come here for economic opportunities denied them in thier socialist homelands.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
(-U.S. Continental Congress, 1776)

That last phrase was "plagarized" by Jefferson from William Blackstone's 'Commentaries on the Laws of England,' who presumably "plagarized" the concepts from earlier commentators.

Blackstone identified three "great and primary rights" which he described as "personal security, personal liberty, and private property." Jefferson's original draft used "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Property." "Pursuit of Happiness" was subsituted by the congressional committee formulating the final draft in order to suggest a broader right beyond mere property rights.

Immigrants are merely pursuing their God given right to pursue happiness. If property rights were secure in the U.S., and taxes were levied on all equitably (a flat income tax rate, or a fair consumption tax sustituted), immigrant could not be accussed of "taking U.S. jobs" or "taking benefits they hadn't earned."

How the heck did I "earn" the "right" to welfare benefits paid for by my fellow citizens? By being born on the right side of the Rio Grande?

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Originally posted by jerrym:
By the way, I DO endorse treating illegal aliens poorly.

Well this ought to cheer you up then...this going on right in South Haven, MI.


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DJ, first, this is wrong. Period, no additional comment needed.

Second, this child labor is the direct consequence of their child's parents and a businessman's greed! Had the parents stayed home or come into this country legally this would never happen. And, if the parents treated their own children properly, this would never have happened.

Third, the business owner ought to be harshly punished.

Fourth, this would never happen in the US if these people were not hiding from the law. Unscrupulous business owners know that these illegal aliens cannot go to the law so a few mistreat the people. That is wrong. But it all starts when the parents enter this country illegally.

So, you can blame the business owner (as I do) but you should also blame the parents (as I do).

I do and agree with your entire post.

Oh, heck, I don't see the big problem with child labor... I have vague memories of picking blueberries for some very low piece work wage in my youth. Probably not 5 or 6, more like 14, I guess, but it seems like younger than that, and for sure in the summer, before school cranked up.

In any case, children working around the farm is not some new evil concept driven by super rich greedy farmers. I'm sure my mom did her farm chores before and after school and in the summer time.

Maybe I'll go dig up a few facts and statistics. Meanwhile, a reference to a classic movie! In 'Grapes of Wrath', didn't that "poor" family (who owned a truck, and could afford fuel to get from OK to CA) has some youngun's, and weren't they pleased as punch to put them to work harvesting peaches or whatever?

I don't think it's greedy farmers any more than it's greedy migrant workers, who can feed and clothe thier kids a little better by putting them to work.

Ching, my wife did chores during her formative years but it was her parents making her work. In this case the kids are working for a farmer. Of course, they are doing with the approval of the parents.

So maybe, if the conditions were livable, there would be little difference (as long as the kids are getting an education). But in this case, the conditions were terrible and the farmer is directly to blame for the conditions.

Turn out, as with most things government, child labor laws for the agriculture industry are a vast bureaucratic snafu. Who would have thunk it?

As far as I can tell, federal law requires parental permission if the child is under 12 years of age. Michigan law has a minimum age of 13. But, like I say it's a bunch of bureaucratic legal gobblede****, with lots of exemptions and additional restrictions. For example, if a parent owns the farm, one case, if a parent works on the farm, another case. School hours, summer vacation, winter vacation, a hundred different cases.

I'll just suggest it's possible these youngun's were picking blueberries when school was not in session, and they had their parents permission, who work working on the same farm, etc.

I may have been perfectly legal, and seems to me not unreasonable, to have kids pick berries. I survived doin' stuff like that as a youngun.

I saw a 5 or 6 year old carrying a couple buckets of berries, slave labor conditions. I didn't see anybody that looked particularly miserable, no signs of flogging or starvation or anything.

"One recent study estimated that in a six-county region of michigan alone, the 'immigrant farmworker population contributed to a net monetary gain of ($23.4 million) to the state economy'... Hired migrant workers account to 85% of all U.S. farm-related labor... Migrant farm workers in the U.S. are ranked repeatedly 'among the lowest paid workers of 14 major occupational groups'... In fact, 61% (only 61% ???) live at or below the poverty level... over 57% of those workers lack legal work authorization..."

(-'Prenatal Care Disparities and the Migrant Farm Worker Community, Heidi K. Bircher, MN, RN, NP-C... that's my darter!.. who alway uses proper citations and never plagerizes the way her old man does!)

(Order your copy of this facinating report at pubmed.gov!)

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Originally posted by Chingach****:
I saw a 5 or 6 year old carrying a couple buckets of berries, slave labor conditions. I didn't see anybody that looked particularly miserable, no signs of flogging or starvation or anything.

I seriously can't believe they're people excusing such maltreatment of fellow human beings. Someone grab me a bucket..

"The U.S. Department of Labor says a check of 35 randomly selected farms in Michigan has led to eight of them being fined more than $36,000 for migrant-housing and child-labor law violations.

James Smith, district director of the agency's Wage and Hour Division in Detroit, called the violations unacceptable and disappointing.

He says in a statement issued this week by the department that investigators found some workers living in unlicensed labor camps with sewage from a faulty septic system seeping up near living units.

They also found untreated waste water spilling out of broken pipes, no hot water for hand washing and infestations of bugs and rodents.

Children under the age of 12 -- including a 6-year-old -- were discovered picking in fields."

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