http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJXzohdF-MA

So, what's everyone's thoughts on the young man that got lit up at UF's Senator Kerry speech?

Kind of wondering if Senator Kerry shouldnt have stepped in and asked them to stop. Did the senator ask them to remove him? I cant tell. Escorting someone to the door is one thing, useing a taser on them is another.

T

Don't tase me, bro!!!

I saw the filmclip of it. The guy was not complying. Pepper spray was not an option, lest everybody in the place would have received a share of it too. So a taser was used to make him comply to lawful orders from peace officers. It was a righteous zap. But if they'd employed a death-ray on his stupid self, that would have been over the top.

Officers everywhere do have the right, maybe the duty, to remove someone who is disrupting a public gathering. I have not seen footage prior to the altercation, so I cannot speak to what the officers' motivation was. Assuming they had a legitimate reason to remove him, they cannot back down simply because the person won't comply. Once they have made the decision to remove him, he must be removed. If he resists, he is just like every other resisting subject. He was actively trying to get away from the officers and the three or four officers I saw were unable to subdue him. A Taser is a perfect tool in that situation. If he disagreed with being removed from the auditorium, he should have filed a complaint. Even though disrupting a public meeting is a minor offense, obstructing an officer in the course of his duties and battery on a peace officer is not. My department carries Tasers, and I would bet the vast majority of us would have done the same thing in lieu of using a baton. Sometimes life just isn't pretty.

After watching the clip, I have to agree with d1b3. If this guy is not complying with the officer's orders then the level of minimum amount of force needs to be increased to bring about compliance.

The guy was a dumb smarta$$. I say taser the $hit out of the non complying big mouth.

chapwood.....

he had it planned.....

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5143496.html

Should have shot him =-)

It seemed like they had things under control before they tasered the studend, put the cuffs on and lead him out. It was a pretty long blast and I am sure just a touch of the juice puts you down and spent for the most part.
I am surprised everyone stayed in thier seats during all this as these things escalate pretty fast. I have seen some pretty rouwdy patrons bounced from a bar better than that by two bouncers and they should more than likely moved the man out of the room with more expediance and taken him down outside the room. Monday quarterbacking is so so easy!

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Originally posted by chapwood:
The guy was a dumb smarta$$. I say taser the $hit out of the non complying big mouth.

chapwood.....

are you serious? tazer someone for asking a question? this is the society you want to live in? those police should lose their jobs.

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Originally posted by mboccia:

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Originally posted by chapwood:
The guy was a dumb smarta$$. I say taser the $hit out of the non complying big mouth.

chapwood.....

are you serious? tazer someone for asking a question? this is the society you want to live in? those police should lose their jobs.

He was not tazered for asking a question, although thats exactly how its being reported in the media. He was tazered for being noncompliant with a police order. From what I can see on the video, he was the one that caused the escalated use of force, not the officers. Right as he was at the door, he clearly and intentionally elbowed the black cop in the chest. Its clear as day. Right after that is when the rest of the officers pounced on him. While on the ground, he continued to flail around, thats why he was tazed.

Of course, he should not have been tasered for "just" asking a question. But he was being disruptive to the group in his approach of questioning, he was being hateful and disrespectful to a senator. I am not a big fan of the Senator that was present, but he is still a senator just the same and that commands respect. When a police officer was initially "nicely" trying to lead him to the door he started showing his a$$.

The lil smarta$$ had it coming.

chapwood........

My point is that he should have been removed from the room in like 30 seconds and what ever went down outside the room would have be pretty harmless as he was grandstanding and without and audience he settle down quickly!

Why not taser him for asking a stupid question? It served no purpose and was distracting from the advancement of education. Consequences! we live in a free country but there are still consequences for our actions. We just have freedom to think before we speak. I am sure that other people in line had some very thought out questions and this fool was out for his own glory. I can speak from experience. I tend to be this way and if somebody would have tasered me a few time it would have changed my way of thinking.

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Originally posted by asm3driscoll:
My point is that he should have been removed from the room in like 30 seconds and what ever went down outside the room would have be pretty harmless as he was grandstanding and without and audience he settle down quickly!

Thats exactly what was happening until he broke free and elbowed the cop in the chest near the door.

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Originally posted by mboccia:

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Originally posted by chapwood:
The guy was a dumb smarta$$. I say taser the $hit out of the non complying big mouth.

chapwood.....

are you serious? tazer someone for asking a question? this is the society you want to live in? those police should lose their jobs.

If he was tasered for "asking a question" then why weren't any other students tasered?

He was escorted for asking repeated questions and refusing to leave as asked. He was tasered when he decided to esculate things most likely to attract people to his website. I've seen the tapes and he was still struggling as the officers were trying to pull his arms behind him to cuff him. He was warned several times that he was about to be tasered but he was too busy grandstanding. ZAP!!!!!

The SOB got just what he was after, attention.

If you read the Florida Law link below, you will see the officers acted accordingly.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View...L=CH0394/Sec9223.HTM

Don

15 seconds insane, 15 minutes of fame. 15 days of acclaim, but we'll soon forget his name.

Another dink with a plan.

The young man was warned numerous times. As an L/e type myself, we give two warnings then act. How many chances does the "actor" get? He charged them in the video and obviously resisted their attempts to get him out of there. He could have yelled and screamed all the way out the door, and nothing would have happened. He decided to get physical and try to win an Oscar at the same time. I have been tased and control belted in training, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone who didn't deserve it, but if we handcuff our L/E officers with ridiculous restrictions and fear of b.s. lawsuits by instigating, controversy seeking miscreants, then we may as well not have police. Hell, we'll all behave right? I'm sure that if the cops just disappeared, we'd all just get along great. No more crime. Yeah right! Dude got what was coming!

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Originally posted by Fishstyx:

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Originally posted by asm3driscoll:
My point is that he should have been removed from the room in like 30 seconds and what ever went down outside the room would have be pretty harmless as he was grandstanding and without and audience he settle down quickly!

Thats exactly what was happening until he broke free and elbowed the cop in the chest near the door.

Maybe we need bigger cops, that guys feet should have been off the ground. One guy on each limb and out the door before you know it! I have seeen many people get bounced and its an art form the way they just pick you up and get you out of the club/bar as fast as they can. I don;t care if the student was a white tornado they come in with over powering force and out you go! It looked like one of the cops had pulled his side arm and was at shooting stance in the auditorium! It seams like we should know how to handle this in a better and more efficent manner? Once again monday quarterbacking is easy!