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Ok..i have been informed by the great Joe and Tj
that the president does,nt hold the purse strings...but geese i miss billy

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Ok..i have been informed by the great Joe and Tj
that the president does,nt hold the purse strings...but geese i miss billy

You miss Billy Carter?

naw....

I know you miss the first two years of the Clinton Administration where the Democrats held the House and the White House.

IAW the document you swore to support and defend, only Article I speaks of money. I didn't see the mention of the Executive Branch in Article I.

Well maybe i should have added the word administration to my comment..you seriously don't seem to hold the president accountable for anything do you?

I bet you think nixon was,nt a crook either.

speaking of supporting and defending ..who was on watch during 9/11???? i forget.

"I'm not a crook"

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Well maybe i should have added the word administration to my comment..you seriously don't seem to hold the president accountable for anything do you?

Unlike you, I will hold the President accountable for what they are authorized to do under Section II of the Constitution of the United States.

You on the other hand, live in a fantasy world where Presidents make all the calls.

I will also hold Congress for their inaction with respect to their duties IAW Article I of the Constitution of the United States. I can't vote all the bums out, but I certainly can vote against those I believe violated their Constitutional Duties. And they clearly violated their Constitutional Duties when they created the War Powers Act. They would rather have the issue than do their duty.

Impeached U.S. Presidents.

Clinton wasn't impeached ... articles of impeachment were presented. Republican senate told their idiot cronies in the House (i.e. Henry Hyde) to STFU and go back to work.

Actually he was impeached by the House, but acquitted by the Senate.

Same as the other guy.

Both he and Johnson were the victims of political actions.

...gjd

Well, clearly we have a difference in semantics ... I have heard your version, and I've attempted to determine that the term "impeached" is appropriate.

Now, I've heard it used quite often, but that "don't make it right", in my book. The way I see it, and the way I believe would be legally supported, is the way I said it ... articles of impeachment were presented, not confirmed, therefore no impeachment occurred.

"Now, I've heard it used quite often, but that "don't make it right", in my book. The way I see it, and the way I believe would be legally supported, is the way I said it ... articles of impeachment were presented, not confirmed, therefore no impeachment occurred."

Not quite right. Try reading Article One Section Two of the Constitution. It clearly states;
"The House of Representatives shallchuse thier Speaker and other Officers; and have the sole Power of Impeachment.

The Senate is granted the power to "try" the impeachments. The "impeachment" and the "trial" are seperate. The only judgement that is permitted by that trial is removal from office and disqualification from future office. To make it simple the house "impeaches" but the Senate decides whether or not to convict and throw them out of office. In the cases of both President Johnson and Clinton they were impeached (action of the House) but not convicted (action of the Senate).

It is important to remember what the word "impeached" means, in this case it means to charge an official (the President) with improper conduct. Both President Clinton and Johnson were charged by the House (impeached) with improper conduct. So both are "impeached Presidents" but neither were removed or "convicted by the Senate.

Marklf

Excuse me if I didn't reply with sufficient clarity: I CHOOSE to deny your reality, and substitute my own!

Accordingly, Clinton was never impeached ...

But back to Lehman ... let them suck the big one ... they caused their own mess, had AMPLE offers to lay off their risk (coulda passed HALF of their liabilities to the Chinese), but blew it ... LEHMAN CEO BLOWS IT

Yeah, let Lehman file Chapter 11. They made their bed, let them lie in it.

Shall we do the same with GM?

Part of the business cycle. GM is a bloated beast long overdue for thinning. They produced years of junk.

Pull motor mounts to change a spark plug? You can't blame that on Union wages and medical benefits.

How about GM being caught deciding it was cheaper to pay off the families of accident victims than fix a known safety problem?

Corporate CEOs with bloated wages increasing while the company is in decline? Sounds like the 90s again. Large, multi-national corporations seem to mimic the worst of Big Government in the accountability department.

As I write this, the DOW is -250 points in negative territory due to the Lehman bankruptcy and with Bank of America's acquisition of Merrill Lynch.

What's really bound to be interesting is when countless insurance companies begin to look for cash in order to fulfill claims filed by victims of Hurricanes Ike and Gustav.

It's gonna get ugly out there before it gets any better.

mw

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How about GM being caught deciding it was cheaper to pay off the families of accident victims than fix a known safety problem?

Everyone, even the Coast Guard, does risk analysis and the cost benefit analysis of each risk.

Sometimes they get caught in a cost benefit analysis and pay through the nose.

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Originally posted by JoeJester:
Yeah, let Lehman file Chapter 11. They made their bed, let them lie in it.

Shall we do the same with GM?

Yes we should. Just like we should have done with Bear Sterns, Fredie, and Fannie. They screwed up make them pay for it. Let the free market take its course. Another business will step up and take their place.

Same ****, different day...


1932 - "Prosperity is just around
to corner."


2008 - "The financial system, and Wall Street in particular, are
basically sound, and that the current 'adjustments'
will have limited impact on the economy."
(Source)

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Originally posted by mabwood:
Same ****, different day...

Keep paraphrasing your fearless leader LaRouche...it has resonated so well with the electorate during the past 35 years or so.

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Originally posted by 1110:

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Originally posted by mabwood:
Same ****, different day...

Keep paraphrasing your fearless leader LaRouche...it has resonated so well with the electorate during the past 35 years or so.

What a maroon!