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A huge policy shift when it comes to Netanyahu and his government? Or just lip service to please Washington?
This notable update is at the ff. thread: "Netanyahu endorses Palestinian independence" IN THE NEWS thread of military.com |
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Well, what he said was a step forward and in keeping with Obamas' stated desire for a just peace, until he demanded that the new nation of Palestine have no weapons.
As they so often do, they make unrealistic demands which nobody would / could ever agree to. We all know that Israel wasn't supposed to have nuclear weapons, but we all know they disregarded the International rules against nuclear proliferation and developed them anyway. So, to say they support a seperate Palestinian State but it has to be disarmed is ludicrous. At least Washington is finally representing and supporting a viable peace amongst the "sides" based on a 2 State solution. |
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Because weapons lead to peace.
Right. Sullivan013 |
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DGS,
You accuse Israel illegally acquiring nuclear weapons. Should we look at YOUR record? Yes, DGS, your dear and saint USA, that has Justice for all, has broken a very important treaty. I talk about the NPT. NPT clearly states, that Nuclear states, will IN GOOD FAITH try to get rid of Nukes. What have US done AFTER it has signed the treaty? US (and others) have DRASTICALLY INCREASED their Nuclear stockpiles, and even had an ARMS race. You like to quote International law so much, but you do not know a thing about it. You claim to have Justice, and imply that US is a model for emulation. Sure.  I see that you are not interested in a solution, despite what you loudly cry for. What does it matter if Palestinian state is armed or not, if they are to have a state? Who is going to attack and conquer them? Santa? What is more important, to have a state, or to have arms? According to you, arms. Very mature. Your bias is obvious, and your ignorance of International law is even more obvious. I advice you to stop preaching to others, and to read a few books. Maybe you will stop being the laughingstock of this forum. |
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Well, the Israelis have PLENTY of weapons and sure do use them! They kill plenty of CIVILIANS DAILY. So, it is only fair that their VICTIMS have weapons too. But, EVERY NATION ON EARTH has weapons, so you sure can not expect the Palestinians not to have any weapons, can you!? What country would you suggest have NO WEAPONS? NAME ONE. |
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I would much rather bring humor to this world than support the ongoing deaths and destruction of civilians' lives. |
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What no "Justice for all"? You ARE a hypocrite. We have might, so we have the right. Gee, i was saying it long before you have posted it. International politics ARE NOT governed by "Justice for all", they are governed by POWER. To make the matters short-You apply Justice only when it fits your needs. Arabs kill someone, so you run towards them with "justice". Indians do not kill anyone, so to them "justice" should not be applied. Israel acquires nukes, so that is bad. You break a treaty you have signed, this is Ok. Hypocrisy. |
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Are you having fun yet? Does this somehow make your day? Well, the issue is not about America Mr. Lerner, since we are doing just fine; it is about Israel and the refugees. So, if your only defense is to somehow shift this to the USA, enjoy yourself. But if you want to discuss the issue bring it on. |
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DGS, i have wanted to point out to you, that you are quick to accuse Israel of illegal practices, while YOUR conduct is just the same, if not worse.
Hypocrisy. If you want to accuse Israel of some illegal practice, make an effort to check your own conduct first. |
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It is not MY accusations that are affecting YOUR country, it is the accusations of your VICTIMS. So far the accusations have been backed up by thousands of refugees, bulldozed homes, millions of unemployed blockaded people, AND MANY dead bodies. Were all those things faked for the camera? And all the back and forth fighting between your little tribes / gangs for over 60 + years! WOW, really good acting! No, I am sure everything you guys are doing, from the massacres of the Arabic Villages in the 1940s to the extermination of the poor civilians in Gaza this past winter, are ALL beyond reproach! And you're also right, considering what happened to the American Indians in the 1800s, ANYTHING you guys want to do to your "Indians" these days is just A-OK with everyone.... well actually your "Indians" might have a valid complaint, but don't let that bother you, "might is right" and you ARE stronger than them! So, feel free to continue murdering, abusing, oppressing, stealing, bulldozing, and generally exterminating a few million people! Lock and load! Enjoy! Oh, don't worry about any potential WMD or any other BIG reprisals from your victims, because they would NEVER do anything that might HURT them too! Oh wait, they DO SUICIDE BOMBINGS don't they?! Oh boy..... this COULD get messy! I guess I'll just pop another bag of pop corn to watch this VERY entertaining movie as the plot thickens! As we watch the oppressors who are sure nothing could go wrong; they even tell themselves that GOD is on their side, as they destroy millions of peoples' lives! COOL MOVIE! I can't wait for the part where the bad guys get their "just reward" and ARE SO SURPRISED because they are so SURE this couldn't happen to "Gods' Chosen Ones"... You couldn't fake this for all the money in the world! OK, go shine up your tank, clean your tracks and get back to squishing those animals! And don't worry, you're right, killing people will never hurt you! And it IS so much easier than negotiating with them! Carry on!  |
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Really? And who has posted
"We all know that Israel wasn't supposed to have nuclear weapons, but we all know they disregarded the International rules against nuclear proliferation and developed them anyway." in the first place? What has it to do with the refugees? Nothing. But to you, it is just an extra way to bash Israel. |
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So you disreguarded my long posting just prior to this one, and brought up one line from within a posting days ago.... why? Was that because you don't want to deal with the BIGGER QUESTIONS at hand? Actually Lerner, the discussion we're having in THIS thread is the same as in the one we've been focused on for weeks. In fact this nuclear non-proliferation issue is really from the other one more than it is specific to Netanyahos' statement. So, I'm going to leave this one alone, unless I have something specific to say about Netanyahos' recent statements, which I have already said what I could about that, I'm going to stop debating the same issue in 2 threads with the same dude. See you back at the ranch amigo. |
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Palestinian refugees derived from the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The majority of these refugees fled their homes due to the Arab countries leader's prompting. The Arab countries promised them a swift return to their homes after the newly born Jewish State was destroyed. Little did they expect to lose to the Israelis. Instead of absorbing the very refugees they had helped lose their homes, the surrounding Arab leaders chose to let the Palestinians rot in Refugee Camps so that their continued desperation will drive them to fight in their fanatic war against Israel. Not to mention that the Arab countries expelled even more Jewish refugees from their countries. Israel absorbed them, why is there no call for them to be allowed back to their homes?
Israel only bulldozes the houses of terrorists, not innocent Palestinians. And even this practice has been ruled Unconstitutional in Israel and is no longer practiced by the IDF. Millions of unemployed blockaded people? Perhaps if these people had not elected a government that promised the destruction of Israel, there would be no need for the blockade. Thus the Palestinian population in Gaza could thrive like they do in the West Bank. Not to burst your bubble, there have been many Israeli dead bodies also. And despite this fact, Palestinians have killed more Palestinians then Israelis have. Perhaps if Palestinians stopped trying to attack the Jewish State, they wouldn't have to be killed? The massacres you mention were only conducted by the Irgun, an early Zionist extremist organization that was denounced and disorganized by Ben Gurion, the first Israeli president. However, no such condemnation by the Palestinian of the Jewish villages that they massacred in the 1940's. You claim that Israel is the oppressor and do not mention the role that the Palestinians play in this game. Occupation wouldn't be necessary if the Palestinians denounced terrorism and tried to make peace with the Jewish State. |
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Occupation wouldn't be necessary if the Jews PAID for what they stole. If you steal my home from me, don't be surprised if I don't like you for the rest of my life, AND go to great lengths to respond in kind for your destructive act to me and my family. You seem to have a case of the "Disney Lands". Since you're apparently stuck in that as opposed to REALITY. Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Zionist terrorists, notably by the Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups. 1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946. 2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951. 3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948. 4. Falameh, April 2, 1951. 5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948. 6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953. 7. Carmel, April 20, 1948. 8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954. 9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948. 10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955. 11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948. 12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955. 13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948. 14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955 15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948. 16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955. 17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950. 18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955. 19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956. 20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956. 21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956. 22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956. 23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956. 24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956. 25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. 26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956. July 2, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed, killing 91 people. Menachem Begin, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Ex prime minister, Shamir, was originally a member of the Jewish terrorist gang called Irgun, which was headed by none other than Menachem Begin. Shamir later moved over to the even more radical "Stern Gang," which committed many vicious atrocities. Shamir himself has defended the various assassinations committed by the Irgun and Stern gangs on the grounds that "it was the only way we could operate, because we were so small. So it was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets." The selected moral targets in those early days of the founding of the state of Israel included bombing of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies. In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres as Deir Yasin (where 250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred). The Jew, Weizman, referred to the massacre as this "miraculous simplification of our task," and Ben Gurion said that "without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel." Americans are not told that ten percent of the Arabs killed by the Israelis in 1948 were Christian, and that ten percent of the Arab property confiscated belonged to Christians. Nor are they told that Israel's massacres and military actions forced 100,000 Christians to become refugees. Accounts by Red Cross and United Nations observers who visited the scene said that the houses were first set on fire and the occupants were shot down as they came out to escape the flames. One pregnant woman had her baby cut out of her stomach with a knife. Reminiscent of the acts committed by their brother Jews in Russia during and after the Bolshevik (Jewish) takeover. The head of the International Red Cross delegation in Palestine, Jacques de Reynier, drove into the village and was met by a detachment of Irgun terrorists. In his report of the massacre the previous night, he wrote: "All of them were young, some even adolescents, men and women armed to the teeth: revolvers, machine-guns, hand-grenades, and knives, most of them still blood-stained. A beautiful young girl with criminal eyes showed me hers (knife) still dripping with blood, she displayed it like a trophy." May 1948: The U.S. appointed Count Folke Bernadotte of Sweden to mediate between the Arabs and the Israelis. In his first progress report (of Sept. 16, 1948) he recommended that the U.N. should affirm "the right of the Arab refugees to return to their homes in Jewish controlled territory at the earliest possible date." The Israelis responded in their own quiet way. The following day Bernadotte was murdered in Jerusalem. Responsibility for the spectacular assassination, which caused an international outcry, was claimed by an unknown group, "Fatherland Front," which was actually a cover for Shamir's Stern Gang. Yoshua Zeitler and Meshlam Markover of Stern told Israeli television in 1989 that they respectively directed and led the operation that killed the Swedish diplomat and his French aide-de-camp. Zeitler, 71, said he decided to speak now because of fear that the U.N. and the "goyim" (non-Jews) are again trying to force Israel into concessions. February 1949: Israel launched an offensive across the Armistice lines with Egypt which brought its forces to the Gulf of Aqaba, occupying the Palestinian police post of Umm Rashrash which they afterwards named Eilat. 1950: Israelis seized the Al-Uja de-militarized zone on the Egyptian side and Baqqara on the Syrian side, expelling their Arab inhabitants and razed their homes to the ground by bulldozers. 1950-1955: Israeli forces unleashed more than 40 acts of armed aggressions against Arab states, almost all causing a heavy loss of life. This included attacks and massacres in Qibya, Huleh 1953, Nahalin, Kfar Qassem in 1954, Gaza and a Syrian outpost on Lake Tiberias in 1955. October 14-1 5, 1953 -- Under the command of Ariel Sharon, Israeli squads attacked the unarmed Arab village of Qibya in the demilitarized one. Where they blew up 42 houses and killed more than 60 residents who were trapped inside. The details were so gruesome that the U.S. joined in a U.N. condemnation of the Israeli action, and for the first and only time, suspended aid to Israel in reprisal. So, the Palestinians abandoned their homes after being the victims of an organized terrorism; then when they tried to return to their homes were told that their homes and lands had been "confiscated". Thus began the ongoing conflict which has lasted for DECADES. Feeding your false view of "Good Jews / Bad Arabs" to people will never help anyone resolve this ongoing situation of theft, hate, and retribution. Only JUSTICE FOR ALL, not bullets will ever solve this battle between the oppressors and their victims. By the way, I have previously asked you WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU IN / FROM? And considering your profile here, you have not indicated your military affiliation / experience.... were you ever in the military? This message has been edited. Last edited by: DougSabbag, |
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