Russia and China, which have veto power on the U.N. Security Council, remain the greatest obstacles to containing Iran's nuclear ambitions. Both nations are opposed to sanctioning a country with which they have strong economic and strategic ties.

Hahaha, yes, I don't think China and Russia can pull it off this time. This time its the UN crying wolf and wanting action.

Sgt dude, I know what you look like , haw-haw, see this is your face, and I saw it many times. Why are you so anger with China and Russia, they did not break your door and kill your relatives, but your goverment did this alot during the past sixty years and continuously doing it now....

Sgt_Schlappy, I'll cover your six on this one wingman. Hey, Mr. Commie Bastard, run over any protestors recently? Anyways, yea um, kind of interesting how all the people that like to kill inoccent civilians and bomb subways and train stations, well they seem to all be using products from, I hate to break it to you, RUSSIA AND CHINA!!! Why do we hate Russia, because it is a corrupt backwards step-child of Europe that would sell its soul to the devil for a case of vodka and warm fire in siberia. Why do we have a beef (that means hate) China, hmm this could take awhile. Well its called copyrights, that means you can't copy my work and sell it for $1 in some booth in Hong Kong. Also, if China is so great awesome and wonderful, than how come americans are adopting your babies? How come the town wishes the baby a happy life and considers it blessed because it is coming to the good old US of A? Why do christians and other faiths have to encode their emails and hide from the police, for fear of being killed? Oh, by the way, I can referense my stuff. It seems you boys just like to get in a little forum fight and then when you realize how stupid you sound you put up that stupid chinese magazine cover. Well let me spare you the embarassment of posting again and do it for you.



oh and then for the personal touch. If you want to be next on our hit list, just run around with these.

raptor... OUTSTANDING!!!

美帝国主义一定要被打倒！

Speak english so I can destroy your argument properly.

quote:

Originally posted by stoneburning:
美帝国主义一定要被打倒！

Simple translation...

I hope the American imperialists are defeated!

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Oh, if that is the case, my friends Smith and Wesson are ready, so bring it on China

Diplomats at odds over Iran nuclear issue

Items compiled from Tribune news services
Published March 21, 2006
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Britain has suggested imposing UN sanctions on Iran unless it allays suspicions about its nuclear program, but Russia and China remained at odds with Europe and the U.S. on Monday night on the best way to confront Tehran.

Senior diplomats from six nations convened for a 4 1/2-hour meeting at UN headquarters in New York to discuss how to persuade Iran to stop enriching uranium, the radioactive material that can be used to make a nuclear weapon. But they still could not overcome Russian and Chinese opposition to tough UN Security Council action.

Security Council Postpones Iran Meeting

By EDITH M. LEDERER
Associated Press Writer
Published March 21, 2006, 3:23 PM CST
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UNITED NATIONS -- The U.N. Security Council postponed a meeting Tuesday on Iran's suspect nuclear program as the West searched for new ways to break a deadlock with Russia and China over the best way to pressure Tehran, diplomats said.

The decision came after senior diplomats from the five veto-wielding members of the council and Germany made little headway on bridging their differences during a 4 1/2-hour meeting Monday evening. Diplomats said Russia was the main holdout, with China following behind.

That deadlock has forced Britain, France and Germany -- the European troika leading negotiations on Iran -- to reopen the text of a statement that would be the first Security Council response. Diplomats will focus on bilateral talks to try to find an agreement, they said Tuesday.

"We'll just keep working on it," U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said.

The United States and its European allies want a statement reiterating demands by the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran suspend uranium enrichment, the process that can be used to generate nuclear power or make nuclear weapons.

Diplomats said the Russians and Chinese have not budged from their opposition to tough language including a demand for a report in 14 days on Iran's compliance with the IAEA demands. Moscow and Beijing have said that is not enough time, with China suggesting 30 to 45 days.

Russia and China also want the IAEA to keep the main role in cajoling Iran on uranium enrichment. They have raised concerns that pushing Iran too hard could lead to its withdrawal from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and expulsion of IAEA inspectors.

"From the beginning I proposed that if the Security Council is to support IAEA, it is to have a brief political statement and support the IAEA, call on the Iranians to cooperate and then I think put some pressure" on them, China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya said.

Monday night's high-level meeting, hosted by British Foreign Office Political Director John Sawers, occurred hours after a letter came to light detailing secret British proposals to offer Iran a new package of incentives to comply with the IAEA.

The confidential March 16 letter from Sawers to his counterparts in the United States, France and at the European Union suggested that offering the incentives might make Russia and China more willing to accept sanctions later on if Iran doesn't comply.

The letter, obtained by The Associated Press, says that the Western allies "are not going to bring the Russians and the Chinese to accept significant sanctions over the coming months, certainly not without further efforts to bring the Iranians around."

That proposal appeared to have had no immediate visible effect on the Russian and Chinese stance.

U.S. Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns told reporters on Tuesday that he remained convinced the council could come to agreement on action, probably in the form of a nonbinding Security Council presidential statement.

"I think there is a great deal of sentiment for a presidential statement," Burns said in Washington. "I think we will see a statement not too long in the future."

The lack of any significant movement after 10 days could lead the Western nations to abandon the presidential statement, which requires the consensus of all 15 council members, in favor of a resolution, a council diplomat said on condition of anonymity because the issue had not been raised with members yet.

That would put Russia and China in the position of having to approve, abstain or veto action against Iran.

raptor. so is mister sks,skn and kalishnikov.a much feared weapon then mr m16 or commando.they are also more reliable.

yea those inaccurate, poorly made russian weaponry will always get you. BS. Dillon mini gun.

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West Steps Up U.N. Negotiations on Iran

Associated Press
March 29, 2006
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UNITED NATIONS - Western powers stepped up negotiations Wednesday with Russia and China on confronting Tehran's suspicious nuclear program, in a last push to reach a deal before their foreign ministers meet to discuss Iran in less than 24 hours.

Britain and France circulated a new proposed statement on Iran late Tuesday that made several concessions to Russia and China, which fear that even modest action by the council now could lead to tougher measures such as sanctions later on.

The statement, which would not be legally binding, demands that Iran stop uranium enrichment, the process that can lead to making a nuclear bomb. The United States and its western allies fear that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, a charge it denies.

China's Ambassador Wang Guangya said Beijing wasn't entirely happy with the latest text but told reporters later: "My feeling is that we are close."

The full Security Council planned to convene later Wednesday to consider the text. If there is agreement among the five veto-wielding members of the council — Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States — the others will likely agree.

The council has struggled for three weeks to come up with a written rebuke that would urge Iran to comply with demands from the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, that it suspend uranium enrichment.

But even though the statement is not legally enforceable, the talks have been extremely sensitive because of the statement's larger significance.

The West believes council action will help isolate Iran and put new pressure on it to clear up suspicions about its intentions. They have proposed an incremental approach, refusing to rule out sanctions.

U.S. officials have said the threat of military action must also remain on the table.

Russia and China, both allies of Iran, oppose sanctions. They want any council statement to make explicit that the IAEA, not the Security Council, must take the lead in confronting Iran.

Britain, France and the United States want the council statement out of the way before their foreign ministers, as well as Germany's meet in Berlin on Thursday to discuss strategy toward Iran.

A meeting of the five veto-wielding members of the council Wednesday morning was the fourth in less than 24 hours, and more talks were planned later in the day.

"It's possible that we could do it today," U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said. "That certainly would be our objective, to clear the table for the ministers to allow them to focus on the long range."

In Moscow on Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov repeated his stance that Moscow would not support the use of force to solve the Iranian nuclear problem.

"As many of our European and Chinese colleagues have stated more than once, any ideas involving the use of force or pressure in resolving the issue are counterproductive and cannot be supported," Lavrov said.

Iran, which insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, remains defiant. The government released a statement through its embassy in Moscow on Tuesday warning that Security Council intervention would "escalate tensions, entailing negative consequences that would be of benefit to no party."

If you get to be a member at Google Earth and update the satelite map system... well one can check over Iran's territory and find where this nuclear facilities are at, and some odd looking air strips near the border area with Iraq? I have no doubt the eventually we will have to deal with Iran and possibly Syria on a later basis, but lets face it, China and Russia are out of the equation, we know better than to have a global outwar with them, as a matter of fact we do have a lot of economic and buisness relations with both Russia and China even though they in the past have betrayed our position several times due to their at the time head of government's position. In the present it seems that democratic diplomacy is slowly working in China, now Russia there is way to much curruption and lacks democratic voices with pure spirit and strenght that I would not be surprised that if in the near future they move towards a socialist comunist regime once again. But as the joint Chief of staff's have put it, the evil of axis is within Syria, Iran and North Korea and the day will come when they will have to be dealt with.. sooner than expected I hear.

In the end I think it is safe to say that Russia and China are in business to make money at whatever cost. Going to war with us is bad business, so I doubt it will happen. But, if they feel that there business is threatened I wouldn't be surprised to see them act.

airfightervet,

I understand what you're saying about Russia & China. That's why we need to do as much as possible to shift our reliance on cheap labor/products over to India or South America...and reduce our dependence on oil/natural gas over to nuclear/alternative energy.

This needs to start now.

As i hear it,from a new anouncement,the Pentagon recently came across some information stating that Russia spilled the beans to Sadam as to our troops plans to attack Sadam and Iraq,at the opening of the war.China on the other hand,is sitting in the background seeping up the money and both Russia and China have very strong ties with Iran,in not only money,but they exchange information.Russia and China,were against the open involvement of the Iraqi war,from the very start,so who is to say,that theres not a serious three-some,in the Political bedroom.In a way i would not put it past Russia,to spill the beans to Iran,if there ever was a call for action against them.I don't trust those Vodka suckers,as far as i can throw them.I hope that Bush can see if what Russia did,to us, is the truth.

The main problem with Russia is that the government seat at Moscow really doesn't have a good grasp of its international events as well as some folk's might think. They just as we, have a serious problem with terrorism, and the war in Georgia has weakened their stronghold in the middle East as a respectable political ally of anyone, yes for the longest time since the Soviet days and under different regimes (socialist comunist party) has supplied weapons to the entire area, from Lybia, Egypt to Iran, don't forget they were involved in Afghanistan back in the 80's, their version of our Vietnam according to some in the public media.. whatever, anyways, the Russian Federal republic has economic and political problems, the old socialist comunist party is well alive, as well as a lot of corrupt high ranking officials, military and civilian, some involved in their drug trafficking for weapons scheme, involving the local mafia... it's a Big Mess!!!
There are also some russians that have a true desire for democracy and capitalism to survive and triumph over their present situation, especially the upper middle and working class as some high class folks. And these russians are the ones that have strong ties with North America and Europe. It's a very delicate situation, as a whole can Russia be trusted? ... if we look at history the answer is probably a No!, but then if we look at Germany, they changed after WWII, the situation in Russia would change once their economic and social situation got in to a better and more stable ground, one where they would feel happier and safer of the present with a good gut feeling of the near future, in the mean time, the majority of Russia I'm affraid will go where the money leads the flow.
And that is where the big problem is, that's why I really don't think that it is wise to use them as inspectors to check Iran's nuclear situation at all! for us, but that is what our goverment is heading to in talks with Russia.

Is Russia starting to come around?



Iran Must Stop Enrichment by Tomorrow

By ALEX NICHOLSON
Associated Press Writer
Published April 27, 2006
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TOMSK, Russia -- The leaders of Russia and Germany urged Iran to fulfill its international nuclear obligations Thursday, a day before a U.N. Security Council deadline for Iran to stop enriching uranium.

Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed that no one could make Tehran give up its nuclear technology, and he warned that the United States and its European allies will regret their decision if they "violate the rights of the Iranian nation."

"The Iranian nation has acquired nuclear fuel production technology. It didn't get assistance from anybody and nobody can take it back," Ahmadinejad told thousands of people in western Iran.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters in the Siberian city of Tomsk that the crisis over Iran's nuclear program could be resolved only through diplomacy.

"It's still too early to run ahead and say what decision we might take together," Putin said. "The main thing is ... that whatever decision is taken is a consensus decision."

Both leaders said Iran must adhere to its international obligations but did not elaborate.