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Yesterday, I manage to get approve for a reno request and I changed my MOS to 25U. I did some research about 25U and the AIT portion. I am just wondering if any 25U ever got stationed in Camp Zama Japan or any US Army units in Japan? I am a prior service Marine and I was deployed to Japan in 2003 and I really had an awesome time over there.
Can anyone help me what to expect on the latest developments in Fort Gordon, I am leaving for AIT on July 23 and I am bringing my POV with me. I researched and downloaded the policies of the command on the Fort Gordon website. I notice some of them are a bit old, any changes to the policies at all? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sgt Vales |
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Zama ? Wouldnt that be nice, the closest you'll get is 2nd ID.
Being a male 25U you've got a 90% change to be assigned to a manuver unit under the old MTOE, under the new MTOE you'll go to a CSB. |
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Network pro can you please define all those acronyms? Im a 25U currently in AIT and I am trying to get a jump on what would be a good duty station. I wouldnt mind deploying in europe, but I dont want to be attached to an infantry unit. Any ideas?
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MTOE Modified Table of Organization, in civilian terms Org Chart. The list of what specific Military operating specialties (MOS's) a particular unit is composed of.
CSB Combat Support Battallion. "I wouldnt mind deploying in europe, but I dont want to be attached to an infantry unit." Whoo Boy, what did you think you were joining? The Girl Scouts ? What you want has little to do with it. |
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Well from reading these forums I was to understand that a 25U can get attached to just about any type of unit. All I was asking is if you know where I could find a list of non-infantry units that contain 25Us. If you dont know, that's fine.
I dont really need a lecture on how "hardcore" the Army is. I have a wife and two young sons, and while many people in the Army have families as well, the difference is I put Family on the top of my priorities list, not the Army. I know that is not what the Army wants from me but that is just the type of person I am. I was raised without a father, and I will do everything within my power to ensure that doesn't happen to my sons. A list of what units/duty stations takes 25U's doesn't seem like a big request, I just don't know where to find that kind of information. EDIT: I probably should have added that Im not fresh out of boot camp or anything. Ive served 4 years already Im just new to the army signal corps. This message has been edited. Last edited by: 11113214, |
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Well that makes your questions even stupider. You know dang well nothing is guaranteed in the Army |
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Get with the program then troop! Do you know what a 25U acutally is and does ? Major Duties: The Signal Support Systems Specialist supervises, installs, employs, maintains, troubleshoots, and assists users with battlefield Signal support systems and terminal devices; integrates Signal systems and networks; performs unit level maintenance on authorized Signal equipment and associated electronic devices; trains and provides technical assistance to users of Signal equipment; and operates and performs prevent maintenance checks and service (PMCS) on assigned vehicles and power generators Note the word "battlefield" in the description... it doesnt say "office equipment" . Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) Computers Local Area Networks (LAN) Army Tactical Command and Control System/ Hardware Software (ATCCS/CHS) Automated Net Control Device (ANCD) Precision Lightweight Global Positioning System Receiver (PLGR) Improved High Frequency Radio (IHFR) Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio System (SINCGARS) Tactical Satellite Terminals (TACSAT) Mobile Subscriber Radio Terminal (MSRT) Enhanced Position Location Reporting System (EPLRS) Force XXI Battle Command Brigade and Below (FBCB2) System Standardized Integrated Command Post System (SICPS) Does that sound like its mounted on an oak desk ? |
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The first two in your list are absolutely office jobs and people working in those areas are what I thought the job would be. The video they showed me at MEPs showed people working on computer hardware and configuring routers. The way I understood it 25Us were supposed to establish and maintain networks and such. The reality is that we are glorified radio operators in most commands. Theres a big gap there that no one told me about.
These forums stated that 25U was the most diverse MOS in the 25 series. It was stated that we could get attached to just about any type of unit because of that diversity. Now im being told that I have a 90% chance of being attached to a combat support unit where I will be swapping out radios in humvees or bradleys and such. Thats not exactly the picture that was painted when I was selecting jobs... Sure it could be worse, but I feel like I have a lot more to offer the Army than being a radio box swapper. Wouldnt it be in the Army's best interest to put me in a position that makes more use of my capabilities? In any case this discussion may end up being pointless. I was injured in WTC and I pushed through it figuring AIT would be a better place to get proper medical attention. It turns out that my injury may prevent me from being a 25U alltogether, they have already prevented me from starting class until a more accurate medical evaluation can be done. I will probably end up just breaking my profile again to avoid any more delays, but if it turns out I need to reclass hopefully I can get an mos better suited to my potential. Ive already got a few duty stations Im going to request that have a low probability of deploying so I guess I dont need anything further from this thread, not that anyone really tried to help me anyways. |
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Let me put it like this for you. I was a 25U, Network Pro has the job description down to the T, the thing is, is that 25U is a very diverse MOS. You never really quite know what you are going to be doing until you get there. We are the trouble shooters for just about every kind of commo equipment around. That's why I liked my MOS so much. We solve problems. I was in 2nd Infantry Division stationed at Camp Casey with an Armor Battalion. I loved it. Half of my platoon worked in the motor pool working with SINCGARS and FBCB2. I on the other hand worked around the company fixing and troubleshooting network and computer issues. They asked me as soon as I got there how much I knew about computers. So me and another guy were doing just that. Oh I also was in charge of all the COMSEC and paper trail stuff there. We had a shortage of 25B at the time so since we, 25U, had some training in all comms, they threw us in it. Basically, you are going to go where they want you. We are combat support and proud of it! If you wanted to do just computers and networking then you should have became a 25B. The closest you'll probably see is Korea. You'll love pulling RETRANS on a hill top in Korea in the middle of winter for two weeks. Someone’s got to make sure we got comms for the boys in the front. Good Luck with low probability deploying duty stations, especially in a Signal MOS. You will never see it! Hope that gives you a better picture of life as a Commo Warrior.
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Can I ask a 25u based question?
So 25u's ever go outside the wire? Or are we alsways in the Fob, green zone whatever, working on radios and com gear? Imtrying to explain this job to my wife but it's hard to explain a job as diverse. |
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It depends on you level of experience and the mission requirements. I was actually in the lead element of our Group during the invasion because they wanted to ensure that elements' equipment was always working.
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Yes, two of my former soldiers just got back and they told me a few were inside the wire repairing stuff and a couple were out on missions riding in the humvees with the infantry guys in a convoy just incase anything happens with comms. You usually always have to have commo guys on hand just in case. The most in important thing is teaching guys how to use the radios. Let it become first hand to them. I remember when I worked with the MP's they could give a sh**t about the radios. They would never pay attention. You need stress the importance of comms. It can save soldiers life. Getting them trained up is good this way some soldiers may be able to stay in the rear.
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SOme more 25u based questions.
Is it true that all Ill be doing is trading radios in and out of humvees? How well does this job translate into the civilian world? what jobs will be open to me? Would 25s offer better possibilities outside the army? |
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It depends on what you want to do and how much effort you want to put into it. All cable companies use satellites for downlinks for thier programming. Panamsat and Hughes are the commercial compaines on the uplink side. |
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If the MOS is so diverse why are we forced into such a narrow assignment catagory?
Heads up for anyone thinking about becoming a 25U: you are going to be a radioman. I'm Cisco certified and I worked at NASA in the data center servicing over 1200 servers of all types. The cadre here at school told me point blank that none of that mattered the Army needs radio operators/maintainers right now so thats where Ill be going. |
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check out 25b and 25n they deal more with networking, or atleast there job descriptions do  |
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Hey bro, listen up. Like I said previously, you won't know till you get to your unit. It depends on the equipment they have. You should've looked into being a 25B instead of a Uniform. I had basic knowledge of computers when I went in and because we had no Bravos in our unit, they basically had me do all of the IT stuff. I did the same when they sent me to an MP Batt. I learned so much that when I got out of the Army I was applying to all sorts of IT jobs. No one would hire me cause I had no Certs. But one day I found the right company who were all Vets and they gave me a job offer. I now work as an IT Network Administrator for FlightSafety Int. I still have no Certs. Certs look good on paper but it's the skill that shows. You’re not going to be just swapping out radios. You'll be doing lots of different stuff. When you get to your unit and get settled in, keep working on your Certs. I forget the name of the program, (Network Pro) might know, but the Army will reimburse the cost of the tests for your certifications. Why in the heck did you give up a job at NASA? Anyway, good luck and if you guys have anymore questions, shoot away. One more thing, don't expect to get stationed on what you put down on your dream sheet. That's why they call it that, expect to get assigned to an infantry unit and get your mind right on getting expected to deploy sooner of later. There's a war going on boys. Or better yet get your degree and drop your packet for OCS and hope to become a Signal Officer. If you have a degree in IT and certifications the board may consider placing you in that field of expertise. Signal Officer is a great postion and looks outstanding on a resume.
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I am a 25U (Old 31U). You do whatever they need you to do. Since being in the reserves, I was deployed as a reservist with a TRANS unit. I was a driver, maintained the radios and any other piece of electronic and computer equipment. I am now in an engineer unit. I am doing the same thing but more now. We have more and newer equipment. Bottom Line: Whatever your unit needs you for, that's what you do. It's the military.
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Im sure thats accurate but my point is that I was lead to believe the job was vastly different than the reality of it. The video showed guys building computers and programming routers, the forums said it was a "universal" mos. The truth is the mos isnt universal, I have a high likelyhood (90%) of being attached to a combat support unit. The truth is its not programming routers, not even the bravos do that very often. Its not working on computer hardware either. Its setting up an antenna, swapping radios in vehicles and maybe helping the bravos if your unit is way undermanned. How the F would someone from the Navy have any way of knowing all that before deciding on the MOS? I researched the hell out of this forum and the goarmy discussion boards and nowhere does it say "swap radios in Bradleys and Humvees while dodging ieds". Im in a non deployable status atm anyhow, so I will likely get reclassed regardless but I still think this whole MOS selection process needs a dramatic overhaul. |
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I am serving here in germany with the 1-4 inf as a 25U. All the other guys in my shop are 25U and the SIGO himself was once a 25U before he became an officer. I don't know about the brigade level but at the battalion level we do both the Radio and automation side of things, they have me working more on the automation side of things than the radio even though I try to keep up on the radio work as much as possible. Some of our guys have been downrange already and they all went out of the wire (usually they volunteered to do it, one even has a purple heart.) It really depends on what the want you to do.
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